Well, I guess it would depend on what exactly her free content is. I'm not familiar with her in particular, but generally speaking, if a model charged any amount of money for an Onlyfans that is completely hidden until you actually pay up, and then it turned out that the content you paid for is basically ads and/or the same as her Instagram... then I could definitely understand calling it a scam. If you pay money for a service you deserve to get what you paid for in return. Now of course for $3 the bar is pretty low but you still deserve something unique.
@computatrium is TQ Rica even active on OF anymore? I unsubbed back in February because she stopped posting new material in January. She went silent on Manyvids around the same time...
Her OnlyFans has become like many of the rest. You can't see what your subscribing to until you've given your money away. And once you do, you realize your paying her to advertise premium content to you. If you unsub, she drops your access immediately at that moment, and you lose your money; other creators at least let you get the access you pay for.
I now make it a rule, I will not pay for content of unknown quality. I also will not pay solely for advertisements to premium content. I have to get a preview or something before I'll consider purchasing. Most subscription sites let you preview their content. Most of the creators on OnlyFans don't let you see any content until after you've paid. Then it's too late to get your money back.
Apparently the schmoes out there are enabling these girls and their bad business. That needs to stop. Make your disapproval known by withholding your money. Stop pedastalizing them. Remember you are their paycheck.
@computatrium is TQ Rica even active on OF anymore? I unsubbed back in February because she stopped posting new material in January. She went silent on Manyvids around the same time...
most of these accounts are cash grabs, and the only people sticking around for paid instagram deserve it IMO.
Noah Trapqueen is out here DMing vids almost daily at very reasonable prices and entertains requests for like 15/mo which is reasonable, which includes topless and nudes. if only more could be like her.
You're absolutely right. I misread my own post. But, hey I ended up agreeing my original post anyway. 🤣🤣🤣
Think about it, if I was trying to be deceptive or uncouth, why would I end up taking the same position in the end?
Guess what, upon second thought, I think Urner is too. Please read on to understand that position.
I have the credibility to address my own mistake. And you got your little shots in.
But none of what you have said diminishes the points I made about them being scams or having bad deals. I still stand by what I said about TQ Rica and Urner. The facts demonstrate it.
I also stand by the position that you straw manned my argument. I never said she was a scam because Urner charges for paid content. I said she was a scam because the content she charges for is weak. I also stand by that position too.
So in your mind for $3 she should show you her entire collection of premium content, otherwise she's a "scammer"?
Please don't straw man my argument. I never said that.
Her content is mainly ads for the real pay-per-download stuff. Not worth it.
Those are my words exactly. I never said Urner was a scammer, I said TQ Rica was. Guess what, upon second thought, I think Urner is too. Please read on to understand that position.
**EDIT: Turns out I did say Urner was a scammer, but nonetheless, I still ended up agreeing with that position--see above and below.
I never said she should share her entire collection of premium content. I said her OnlyFans content is practically non-existent. For now it's $3 on special. It will go up to $10. For $3 it is barely worth those couple decent pics and vids. So yes, at $10 its definitely a scam. It is wrong to charge $10 for content, when equal or better can be found at no cost.
Scam -- a dishonest scheme; a fraud.
It is a dishonest scheme for someone to present paid content (and when we pay for something we expect it to be of better quality than free--not an unreasonable expectation), only to have to pay to see that content; and then only upon paying, see that equal or better quality content can be had for free. In no other context is it right to not present the customer with some idea of what they are paying for before buying. This has become the norm on OnlyFans--but that's a topic for a whole other post and thread.
If she just wanted to charge for premium content there would be nothing unethical about that. But don't make people pay a subscription just to see what that payed content is. That is double-dipping and dishonest business.
I compare her against other OF pages I've subbed to. Yes there are legit scammers out there who posted nothing but low quality, cropped half-second long previews of the DM content, and then charge a very high fee (~$20 or more per video, and maybe 1 or 2 minutes long). Mandy isn't that. She shows mostly pictures on her feed, there are hundreds and most are in 4K quality. She does advertise her DM content but it's not like she isn't giving you anything else.
And her DM's are quite affordable, usually in the $5 range and around 5 mins long. I don't buy ever video she DM's, I would surely be broke if I did that. So I just buy the ones that sound interesting. That's another good thing about her, is she describes what you're getting before you buy it, unlike many other OF girls. Lately I bought a bunch of her content where she's in contest shape, and it's some of the greatest content I've ever bought. If someone happens to not be into that, or still think she's a rip-off, that's their loss then.
Well, I guess it would depend on what exactly her free content is. I'm not familiar with her in particular, but generally speaking, if a model charged any amount of money for an Onlyfans that is completely hidden until you actually pay up, and then it turned out that the content you paid for is basically ads and/or the same as her Instagram... then I could definitely understand calling it a scam. If you pay money for a service you deserve to get what you paid for in return. Now of course for $3 the bar is pretty low but you still deserve something unique.
The problem with a lot of these Only Fans is that you don't even get to see what you're buying until you've subscribed. And then its too late. Good luck trying to get your money back.
Just added Goddess Mandy (Mandy Urner) to [my list]...
Straight up Mandy Urner is a scammer. Her content is mainly ads for the real pay-per-download stuff. Not worth it. Right now its $3. Also TQ Rica is another scammer. Don't bother subscribing.
you mean Laura Ehlen? she took it down--she's done with it. i've been trying (unsuccessfully) to get customs for a couple of months so i know she's really done. probably with cam too
This is not a review, although I used to purchase DVDs from this site. You will just have to click around and see what they have, a lot of older clips, and women that have long left the bodybuilding scene that might jog your memory. Appears the sight has tried to upgrade the quality of the older clips, but I am not certain about that.
Here is a link to a Michelle Ivers clip, I'd guess this to be at least twenty years ago:
FWIW pretty sure I saw Shannon Seeley pop up in the banner ad a few days ago, so she may still be active.
Shannon's an all-time great and she's still around as her schedule permits.
Women like Angela Salvagno and Oana are 1, well 2, in TENS - if not hundreds - of millions. 99.9% of women who do work on HBC at any point in time will be or will have been at a completely different place in their lives 10 years from then, the same as every other population. I get liking your favorites - we all do - but I don't understand thinking that anyone's lives are static simply because they were awesome on social media or webcam.
Every day, I look at the lineup and think "Wow, that's a lot of awesome right there". Big Anastasia is on right now. She's a competitor and is one of the largest, thickest female bodybuilders in the world. Gemini_Swoll is also an active competitor who is coming up rapidly.
We hope that we're able to recruit and retain the talent who will give their clients optimum value and reason to keep coming back month-after-month. Thank you for sharing these thoughts.
Reality is some of the women have retired or quit bodybuilding, and some may not be in the financial situation to require it anymore. There are still great women on the site. Also some of the very popular names who aren’t on cam are very conservative (not politically) and there’s no room for cam in that mindset.
I think the site has really gone down hill. The VOD content is great but the actual girls on the cam site is not a great lineup. When they got started they had some huge names like Cindy Philips, Monique Jones, Britt Miller, Hazel Piazza etc…now a lot of the girls on there don’t even compete.
I’d like to see the site make a push towards getting some legit NPC & IFBB girls on the site and get rid of the webcam models.
Lisa Bickels, Brenda Raganot, Monica Mollica, Rosanna Harte, Hayley McNeff, Katka Kyptova, Xinli Cao, Penpraghai Tiangok, Melissa Dettwiller, Aleesha Young, Colette Nelson, Lauren Quinn, even Shannon Seeley popped in a couple times. Herbicepscam really had some superstars back in the day. You still got Rene Marven who pops up here in there. But yeah, the current lineup of girls don't really catch my eye other than Rene, Sarah Crail, Raluca Raducu, Emily Brand, and Ramona Nedelcu.
Man, can you imagine if they could get someone like Lauren Martin Stow or Blakelee Ortega?
If you give the right models incentive to be on cam they will do it.
"Right models" is an interesting idea. I think the right models are the ones who want to chat with and entertain muscle fans in a live, online setting. That's a very tiny percentage of the population. The women on HBC are incredibly unique.
She has good videos on both HerBiceps and Muscle Angels, both which offer VOD instead of a site membership if that's what you want. Looks like FTVideo also has a VOD store with some stuff of her.
Hello guys! I'm a huge fan of Andrea and I was wondering if there are any videos worth buying on any site. Has anyone any suggestions? Thank you all in advance!
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Her OnlyFans has become like many of the rest. You can't see what your subscribing to until you've given your money away. And once you do, you realize your paying her to advertise premium content to you. If you unsub, she drops your access immediately at that moment, and you lose your money; other creators at least let you get the access you pay for.
I now make it a rule, I will not pay for content of unknown quality. I also will not pay solely for advertisements to premium content. I have to get a preview or something before I'll consider purchasing. Most subscription sites let you preview their content. Most of the creators on OnlyFans don't let you see any content until after you've paid. Then it's too late to get your money back.
Apparently the schmoes out there are enabling these girls and their bad business. That needs to stop. Make your disapproval known by withholding your money. Stop pedastalizing them. Remember you are their paycheck.
@computatrium is TQ Rica even active on OF anymore? I unsubbed back in February because she stopped posting new material in January. She went silent on Manyvids around the same time...
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most of these accounts are cash grabs, and the only people sticking around for paid instagram deserve it IMO.
Noah Trapqueen is out here DMing vids almost daily at very reasonable prices and entertains requests for like 15/mo which is reasonable, which includes topless and nudes. if only more could be like her.
You're absolutely right. I misread my own post. But, hey I ended up agreeing my original post anyway. 🤣🤣🤣
Think about it, if I was trying to be deceptive or uncouth, why would I end up taking the same position in the end?
I have the credibility to address my own mistake. And you got your little shots in.
But none of what you have said diminishes the points I made about them being scams or having bad deals. I still stand by what I said about TQ Rica and Urner. The facts demonstrate it.
I also stand by the position that you straw manned my argument. I never said she was a scam because Urner charges for paid content. I said she was a scam because the content she charges for is weak. I also stand by that position too.
Please try to have more credibility:
Please don't straw man my argument. I never said that.
Those are my words exactly. I never said Urner was a scammer, I said TQ Rica was. Guess what, upon second thought, I think Urner is too. Please read on to understand that position.
**EDIT: Turns out I did say Urner was a scammer, but nonetheless, I still ended up agreeing with that position--see above and below.
I never said she should share her entire collection of premium content. I said her OnlyFans content is practically non-existent. For now it's $3 on special. It will go up to $10. For $3 it is barely worth those couple decent pics and vids. So yes, at $10 its definitely a scam. It is wrong to charge $10 for content, when equal or better can be found at no cost.
Scam -- a dishonest scheme; a fraud.
It is a dishonest scheme for someone to present paid content (and when we pay for something we expect it to be of better quality than free--not an unreasonable expectation), only to have to pay to see that content; and then only upon paying, see that equal or better quality content can be had for free. In no other context is it right to not present the customer with some idea of what they are paying for before buying. This has become the norm on OnlyFans--but that's a topic for a whole other post and thread.
If she just wanted to charge for premium content there would be nothing unethical about that. But don't make people pay a subscription just to see what that payed content is. That is double-dipping and dishonest business.
I compare her against other OF pages I've subbed to. Yes there are legit scammers out there who posted nothing but low quality, cropped half-second long previews of the DM content, and then charge a very high fee (~$20 or more per video, and maybe 1 or 2 minutes long). Mandy isn't that. She shows mostly pictures on her feed, there are hundreds and most are in 4K quality. She does advertise her DM content but it's not like she isn't giving you anything else.
And her DM's are quite affordable, usually in the $5 range and around 5 mins long. I don't buy ever video she DM's, I would surely be broke if I did that. So I just buy the ones that sound interesting. That's another good thing about her, is she describes what you're getting before you buy it, unlike many other OF girls. Lately I bought a bunch of her content where she's in contest shape, and it's some of the greatest content I've ever bought. If someone happens to not be into that, or still think she's a rip-off, that's their loss then.
Well, I guess it would depend on what exactly her free content is. I'm not familiar with her in particular, but generally speaking, if a model charged any amount of money for an Onlyfans that is completely hidden until you actually pay up, and then it turned out that the content you paid for is basically ads and/or the same as her Instagram... then I could definitely understand calling it a scam. If you pay money for a service you deserve to get what you paid for in return. Now of course for $3 the bar is pretty low but you still deserve something unique.
So in your mind for $3 she should show you her entire collection of premium content, otherwise she's a "scammer"?
The problem with a lot of these Only Fans is that you don't even get to see what you're buying until you've subscribed. And then its too late. Good luck trying to get your money back.
Straight up Mandy Urner is a scammer. Her content is mainly ads for the real pay-per-download stuff. Not worth it. Right now its $3. Also TQ Rica is another scammer. Don't bother subscribing.
Any girl with good OF workout footage grinding through it with sound?
you mean Laura Ehlen? she took it down--she's done with it. i've been trying (unsuccessfully) to get customs for a couple of months so i know she's really done. probably with cam too
Does anyone have a link to Laura Helen’s OF? I can’t find it
This is not a review, although I used to purchase DVDs from this site. You will just have to click around and see what they have, a lot of older clips, and women that have long left the bodybuilding scene that might jog your memory. Appears the sight has tried to upgrade the quality of the older clips, but I am not certain about that. Here is a link to a Michelle Ivers clip, I'd guess this to be at least twenty years ago:
https://builtmore.com/Store/Details/52532a7a-...
Two sections on the top right of the website - Studios and Categories show more.
Also has a twitter feed:
https://twitter.com/builtmorestudi1
Also noticed a Tina Lockwood clip from her early days:
https://builtmore.com/Store/Details/c0014af9-...
Shannon's an all-time great and she's still around as her schedule permits.
Women like Angela Salvagno and Oana are 1, well 2, in TENS - if not hundreds - of millions. 99.9% of women who do work on HBC at any point in time will be or will have been at a completely different place in their lives 10 years from then, the same as every other population. I get liking your favorites - we all do - but I don't understand thinking that anyone's lives are static simply because they were awesome on social media or webcam.
Every day, I look at the lineup and think "Wow, that's a lot of awesome right there". Big Anastasia is on right now. She's a competitor and is one of the largest, thickest female bodybuilders in the world. Gemini_Swoll is also an active competitor who is coming up rapidly.
We hope that we're able to recruit and retain the talent who will give their clients optimum value and reason to keep coming back month-after-month. Thank you for sharing these thoughts.
Reality is some of the women have retired or quit bodybuilding, and some may not be in the financial situation to require it anymore. There are still great women on the site. Also some of the very popular names who aren’t on cam are very conservative (not politically) and there’s no room for cam in that mindset.
FWIW pretty sure I saw Shannon Seeley pop up in the banner ad a few days ago, so she may still be active.
Lisa Bickels, Brenda Raganot, Monica Mollica, Rosanna Harte, Hayley McNeff, Katka Kyptova, Xinli Cao, Penpraghai Tiangok, Melissa Dettwiller, Aleesha Young, Colette Nelson, Lauren Quinn, even Shannon Seeley popped in a couple times. Herbicepscam really had some superstars back in the day. You still got Rene Marven who pops up here in there. But yeah, the current lineup of girls don't really catch my eye other than Rene, Sarah Crail, Raluca Raducu, Emily Brand, and Ramona Nedelcu.
Man, can you imagine if they could get someone like Lauren Martin Stow or Blakelee Ortega?
"Right models" is an interesting idea. I think the right models are the ones who want to chat with and entertain muscle fans in a live, online setting. That's a very tiny percentage of the population. The women on HBC are incredibly unique.
thank you very much!
She has good videos on both HerBiceps and Muscle Angels, both which offer VOD instead of a site membership if that's what you want. Looks like FTVideo also has a VOD store with some stuff of her.
Hello guys! I'm a huge fan of Andrea and I was wondering if there are any videos worth buying on any site. Has anyone any suggestions? Thank you all in advance!
If you give the right models incentive to be on cam they will do it.