Hi there! It was about 13 years ago when I first wondered why I liked buff girls. To be specific I get excited by how small and weak they make me feel. Their size, strength, weight and confidence and especially how they grow from puny and weak to massive and strong. In my fantasies I feel weak, out of control and hopeless (I know... I need a shrink, right? XD)
I am also a big fan of FMG. I remember searching for some answers on the Internet. I could find hardly any. The question has started bugging me again. I know there is nothing wrong with it so don't go on a tangent about how there is nothing wrong with it. I already know that. With that being said, I am going to say what I think about why I have this kink. I was raised by overbearing parents, in particular my mother. She was extremely violent and aggressive as she indulged in frequent physical, verbal and psychological abuse. Needless to say, it was no fun.i also have a sister, much older than me who would vent and and beat the crap out of me. I can't be sure but I have the suspicion that something must have sipped into my being, in particular in the sexual part of my psyche. What are your thoughts? I have never thought of asking anyone. Thanks.
I have been enjoying reading through this thread expecting and finding the same mix of schmoe/GWM fan naivety, cluelessness, delusions or even outright bad faith ruminations when it comes to PED use and what women can achieve naturally; with always excellent counter-arguments from the usual suspects (Gatsby28, Muscle_Toez, bentley and apologies for those who I failed to mention).
I dare to posit that the Welden sisters represent what could be achieved naturally - although not 100% sure for Cynthia but she has been pumping iron since her teens. At least, one can say they have very pleasing physiques and special mention to their lightning skills that compliment them.
Healthiest mates, basically. Big, strong, beautiful women are likelier to produce big, strong, beautiful kids.
I'd turn the question on it's head - men who are attracted to petite, weak women are themselves mentally lacking. Yes I've found a fair few smaller women cute/attractive etc, but AABE a big strong beauty beats her smaller, weaker sister.
There are great forums about muscular girlfriend/wives and muscular friends, but I don't know if there's a forum about muscle girls on the family.
Maybe a mother, a sister, a cousin, a very distant cousin, an aunt... I'm very curious. And if so, how is the experience? Maybe not "grow up" perse as in "she was in my life the whole time", but rather just a muscle girl on your family.
I personally haven't. A 2nd cousin does ballet and she has great abs and good calves but nothing more than that (she's naturally skinny).
All these questionable stories about muscular stepdaughters and sisters, now they are gone...
I read some of them... but of course just to improve my English 😉
yea it a bummer it seemed like that site was so basic and had been around for such a long time it seemed like it would survive the apocalypse. i could always rely on it when i had very shit internet or hardware .like i used to go to a boarding school they banned video game consoles and laptops. no wifi we only had nokia brick phones 2g internet slower than dial up 96p screen that could go online but were so primitive even wikipedia wouldn't load on it and i could only use a few megabytes before they shut the internet off. but Diana the Valkyrie worked used maybe 100kb and i could read these stories on the toilet without anyone knowing.
or at some point i had a Nintendo ds and again 99% of the 2009 internet didn't work on it. yet Diana the Valkyrie worked and i was able to read stuff in private .when my sister was using the laptop or t was broken for the 100th time that year .even more recently only 5 years ago i was in an hotel in another country and the wifi was so shitty nothing worked expect for you know.
and i have also started learning Italian and Spanish recently .and there are a lot of hidden gems out there on there that i missed out on in those languages .trying to find these stories on other sites can be annoying since they cater to all fetishes and you end up reading something gross or just very random Diana the Valkyrie was pure female muscle and even things like futa were rare. i think there is a more modern trend were people try to combine multiple fetishes into 1. but that didn't seem common in the 90s and 2000s .
this site inspired me to become a writer myself since i had some fantasies but i can't draw anything. i post my stories on deviant art because i thought you had to be a paying member just to post anything so this is a pretty bad business model in modern times and i am surprised it lasted so long. i like deviant art but i don't trust them since they may randomly decide to ban my stuff.
i naïvely thought the site was perfectly preserved on the wayback machine. but it seems a lot of stuff posted after 2018 is lost and a lot of stories that used accents or had limited graphics are messed up too. at least its better than more complex sites that are messed up because they use too much images or JavaScript or flash. even this site is quite messed up on the wayback machine.
i sometimes wondered what would happen to smaller sites when the owners die of old age .i hoped the owner was young when it got started and is now about 50 and would keep it going fr another 30 years and then sell the site or give it to a friend or at least archive everything or give us a warning that he was very ill and the site could shut down at any moment .but seems like he was older or had cancer or had an unexpected accident and didn't give the site to a successor or sold it. i also wonder what will happen to this site in the distant future? there isn't a lot o stuff similar to this left .
i first found that site in 2007 when i got my own laptop and kept searching body scissor one of the result's was sex and scissors a matter of life and death by tom walker from 1997. i ofcourse clicked it since most results didn't involve sex directly. but at first i didn't see the appeal of a story compared to images .but my internet was so bad i gave it a chance and it was very hot because it described the feelings of the character something you can't see in a video and i kept coming back.
like i told my friend once that i used to watch text based porn and he looked at me a boomer despite being only 2 years younger than me .but this stuff is still popular among many people because its very hot to be able to read about how the characters feel. you are not going to experience that and often you probably wouldn't want to anyway and you wont notice it in a video
For everyone saying "please no", this would of course be a sister site to GWM, not a part of the main GWM gallery. Or, at the least, it would be separated so you don't see both real and AI images at the same time.
Hmm, maybe. Although right now (kind of goes with what Chipperpip said) I'm not sure there's enough people making quality content mostly because the barrier to entry is so high. I think one problem the site would face is that it's too easy to pump out really mediocre gens and the site would get flooded with these, relative to the good ones at least.
This wouldn't be people generating images on the site itself (which would be a very difficult technical feat to pull off), but rather uploading their images they generated elsewhere.
I think the point of doing it is so that the best images can be upvoted, so we can start to actually give more focus to the good artists. and we can return to artists we like rather than them being lost in a thread somewhere. it might even push innovation and improvement. i know there is deviant art, but i actually think the functionality of gwm works better for this sort of thing. deviant art covers all sorts of topics and isnt focused enough. i agree, you should not mix the ai art with real humans. i also dont think that ai will mean we stop looking at real women. i mean c'mon. and i'm not sure what the pint of ai skepticism is. i mean it's not going to go away, no matter how much you complain, so what is the point of complaining exactly. but let's put it somewhere else, separate from the real girls.
chainer, i think it would be sufficient to replicate the gwm site as it is, call it gwmai, empty it of models, change model name to artist name as the upvoting system and boooooooom done. dont need to over complicate it.
For everyone saying "please no", this would of course be a sister site to GWM, not a part of the main GWM gallery. Or, at the least, it would be separated so you don't see both real and AI images at the same time.
Hmm, maybe. Although right now (kind of goes with what Chipperpip said) I'm not sure there's enough people making quality content mostly because the barrier to entry is so high. I think one problem the site would face is that it's too easy to pump out really mediocre gens and the site would get flooded with these, relative to the good ones at least.
I think not only is it a good idea, it's inevitable and I hope gwm does it first, with excellent up voting, tag and search functions. I would say that you should organise images under their author/artist, that way artists who create these things can start to get the credit they deserve too, and you know which artists you like to follow and subscribe too. but yes, tagging and searching and upvoting too.
Generating images is very computationally expensive, and any real usage of the feature would require serious funding.
This wouldn't be people generating images on the site itself (which would be a very difficult technical feat to pull off), but rather uploading their images they generated elsewhere.
As a sister site to this one. The setup would be basically the same, people would post pictures with #tags instead of names to search. Top comment might include a description of the prompt. I know this is much easier to spitball in a forum post than actually create and I am not a programmer in any sense of the word but I feel like it could be a ad revenue generator, especially with affiliate links from here. This idea came from the AI generated muscle girls thread which is chocked full of fantastic images but no way to easily navigate
Seems to me that many average people have an icky feeling about biological men who want to be women. One thing we could do is explore and explain the reasons for this ick and then attempt to address them, rationally and at face value, one by one, and see where we get. But I doubt this is going to happen, is allowed to happen or is even necessary to make happen, as long as the big answer is already no.
Then there is the ubiquitous misuse of the word hate, whose real meaning can range from avoidant dislike, which is practically always the case, to willingness to commit mass murder. The key being that people who have an avoidant dislike get accused of willingness to commit mass murder. But this is an example of the general tendency of trans rights activists to be on the attack and employ copious false accusations.
THE point.
Most of the things said there are best ignored. Most of the things said amount to wishful gaslighting. But for the benefit of alarmed and confused onlookers I think a few things need to be said.
Beauty can be defined in two ways that I know of. First one is to consider it synonymous with desirable. This does not say a lot. But the Aristotelian concept contains three parts that are called clarity, integrity and consonance. I think men to women trans fail in all three. No matter if they can fool some people totally and many people initially, there is a gut feeling of confusion and ugliness and lack of purpose about the whole issue. I have no idea why trans activists talk here about fear, except as part of some kind of power fantasy.
I think what people really fear is a certain kind of toxicity. People fear the verbal aggression, false accusations and gaslighting will not end until the trans activists get their way. Though this is what they're probably counting on. That people would want to buy their silence by giving in.
Then again the concept of "hate speech". If voicing a personal dislike is considered "hate speech" then hate speech is a human right and any attempt to silence it is a human rights violation. I have no clue why trans activists are so much in love with these "sliding scale" concepts, whose only utility is in making false accusations. It takes all meaning away from language and makes rational discussion impossible.
Ignorance is not a substance or type of energy. It is a state of not knowing something that is presumably true. Disagreeing with someone is not the same thing as being ignorant, though practically always when someone is accused of ignorance he is in reality being accused of disagreeing with the accuser.
To paraphrase: These trans activists aren't juicing the ad numbers. They make the place look worse and feel worse. They're a buzzkill for anyone trying to get turned on by photos. I actually can't imagine any rationale as to why they're given so much deference.
I actually haven't seen anyone been given any kind of deference. It's a simple choice between two alternatives. Nobody really knows the reasons. Maybe it's ad revenue. Maybe it's some big principle or someone's peace of mind. Maybe something else. But usually when minorities get their way in things like this, it's due to unmerited deference. And cowardice. It's absolutely a sign of courage to not give in in the face of aggressive activism and false accusations.
The opposite of ignorance is to pretend to know something one possibly can not know in reality. It is actually possible that 100 % of what you quoted is not only false but the direct opposite of reality. Real knowledge is a balance between not knowing and knowing falsely.
Probably the only way to find out would be to set up a sister site and call it transwithmuscle or something. There would only be two problems. The more obvious one is I believe the site would not get much traffic. This for the simple reason that people want to see muscular biological women. Pay no attention to what they say but where they click. There is no getting around this. It is their sexuality. Trans activists basically consider themselves entitled to meddle with not only their own but especially other people's sexuality. The other one being that this meddling is the whole point of the bid and the exercise, so this is why a parallel site would not give them what they want. It would not fool anyone into taking biological men for women.
It's no more complicated than that I know what I want to be turned on by. If someone wants to fool me into being turned on by a biological male, then I naturally think that's disgusting. If he were to momentarily succeed but eventually fail then he may think he has proven something. But this is like arguing that since rape victims sometimes get turned on by the physical activity, no matter how much and consistently they object to it otherwise, then they must secretly like it. No doubt people also object to this meddling mentality or rape mentality.
Some women may think that I am not a handsome and desirable guy. But do I wish there was a law that entitled me to pass off as handsome and desirable to whichever woman I want, under the pain of wholesale destruction of her career, finances and other relationships? Or is she somehow entitled to not consider me handsome and desirable? Might I even call that hate? Or would you be so cruel as to tell me to simply learn to live with it?
I can understand ekkijo's concerns to some degree, although in this day and age, it is far more acceptable than many years ago.
My mother found my secret stash of far less muscular women, than we see here. It was my fondest treasure. I was in my mid teens. Clippings from magazines, circus women, and a magazine of the old WPC "Women's Physical Culture Club". I had to wait weeks for that incredible magazine, sent from the Netherlands and it was expensive for that time. This was late 1960s.
My own mother called me a weirdo, thought there was something seriously wrong with me. It made me question my own feelings. Why am I like this? Seeing a high school girl, with buffed arms, brushing her hair, drove me crazy. I never approached any of the 5 or 6 buffed girls in high school for two reasons. They were out of my league, simply because they had muscular arms. Secondly, I was afraid to ever comment on their muscles because I feared, they would call me a weirdo!
In a strange twist to this, my sister one year younger than me, had muscular arms, with developed biceps. She was the only one I ever confided in about girls with muscles. My mother actually acted like she was ashamed of my sister because she thought muscles on girls was ugly. Times have changed for the better. That's for damn sure!!! Now I not only let my feelings be known in relationships, I only pursue buffed women.
Same here. My mom “found” my stash of fbb mags under my bed: Rather than feel humiliated, I should have been outraged. WTF was she doing snooping around in my room?
I can understand ekkijo's concerns to some degree, although in this day and age, it is far more acceptable than many years ago.
My mother found my secret stash of far less muscular women, than we see here. It was my fondest treasure. I was in my mid teens. Clippings from magazines, circus women, and a magazine of the old WPC "Women's Physical Culture Club". I had to wait weeks for that incredible magazine, sent from the Netherlands and it was expensive for that time. This was late 1960s.
My own mother called me a weirdo, thought there was something seriously wrong with me. It made me question my own feelings. Why am I like this? Seeing a high school girl, with buffed arms, brushing her hair, drove me crazy. I never approached any of the 5 or 6 buffed girls in high school for two reasons. They were out of my league, simply because they had muscular arms. Secondly, I was afraid to ever comment on their muscles because I feared, they would call me a weirdo!
In a strange twist to this, my sister one year younger than me, had muscular arms, with developed biceps. She was the only one I ever confided in about girls with muscles. My mother actually acted like she was ashamed of my sister because she thought muscles on girls was ugly. Times have changed for the better. That's for damn sure!!! Now I not only let my feelings be known in relationships, I only pursue buffed women.
Yea what a coincidence that she has the same name as a famous actress who is relatively muscular herself. but not on par with the fbb Jessica Simpson. when I first started getting sexual I thought that the 2 hottest women in the world were Jessica Simpson and demi Moore. but sometimes I would see athletes on TV and though they had better legs. and once I got unsupervised internet access I stopped caring about mainstream actresses and embraced my fetish. but recently I got nostalgic and looked up my favorite old music videos with her. and I noticed she was quite muscular and really stood out compared to the other actresses from the time who were hyper skinny. but these days I think the fbb Jessica Simpson is way hotter than the actress but both are stunning. But it just shows that I have always been attracted to muscle and nothing could have stopped it. I guess the fbb Jessica Simpson was born before Jessica Simpson the actress got famous. this is why I am glad my real name is gibberish my parents made up. But my sister's name is also random but there was a certain thing that was invented when she was 10 with the same name.
one of my older sister’s best friends IS the most athletic person i’ve ever met to this day, and definitely looked the part. a childhood full of arm wrestling and punching her abs def planted the seed before the hormones kicked in, so i can’t recall the “first time.” what i can recall, is finding out on facebook that she’s got 2 kids, a super successful personal training business, and is still shredded
one of my older sister’s best friends IS the most athletic person i’ve ever met to this day, and definitely looked the part. a childhood full of arm wrestling and punching her abs def planted the seed before the hormones kicked in, so i can’t recall the “first time.” what i can recall, is finding out on facebook that she’s got 2 kids, a super successful personal training business, and is still shredded
Which is why the muscle thing doesn’t seem so bad if you keep it rather tame in comparison. But the platform itself and the reputation of the extremes makes it harder for someone to consider using it.
I saw a video the other day where a kid said his sister was a bad sister: she would dunk on his grades and brag about hers but he clapped back saying “what was it all for if you’re just going to sell yourself online”.
I am in my 70's. I first found out I was attracted to women or girls who have muscle when I was 10 or 11 years old. My uncle took me to visit his sister who was in her 30's at the time. We arrived and she was cleaning her house. She didn't know we were coming. She asked why didn't he call. She said she would have looked better, she said she was a mess. She pulled back her sleeve and flexed a big round bicep. Mind you this was in the early 60's. I never knew that a woman could have a muscle. I grew up thinking that all men were stronger than women. This also was before I knew anything about sex. I was so attracted to this woman. I never felt any attraction like that. This attraction has followed me all through my life. In school in those days girls who had muscles did not show them off. In the mid 70's I found an article about Miss Mira that showed her flexing a bicep. I have collected articles and magazines all my life. The internet is great. I almost feel that I created this whole woman's muscle craze. Never before in history have so many women and girls been into building muscle. Many times I have asked women and girls to flex. They usually do it. It always turns me on. Especially when they let me feel the muscle. My wife knows about my fetish. She does not have muscles. I love this quote:
"The brain is the most outstanding organ. It works 24 hours, 365 days, right from your birth until you fall in love. The point I am making is do not feel guilty about your fetish. Enjoy it. I have always enjoyed the fact that I can be so turned on by a woman who can flex a nice bicep. Through the years I have been turned on by many of them and it is fun. When it comes to love you have no control over who you fall in love with. Enjoy your life. If you love this girl I hope you marry her and have a wonderful life. One more funny story about my uncle's sister. I am an attorney. Many years after I first saw her bicep that day she came to my office for a will. She must have been in her 60's, I told her about that day and what her flexed bicep did to me. She loved the fact that I told her. Sometimes things come full circle. Be well my friend.
I would also like to see some revenge humiliation stuff, like for examppe, some fitness girl is owerpowering some guy and teasing him over how weak he is and then some FBB walks in and puts the fitness girl in her place and does the whole strength humiliation thing to her. Kinda a "big sister" thing.
Didn't you get banned? Could have sworn I saw that.
I guess they let you back on because they decided the world needed your hot takes and sad stories.
"Of coursie," said Horsie.
This is one of your best though. Good thing you GET THE HELL OUT once you're done - and you're wise not to do your post workout stretches, lest you be falsely accused. If your sister knew of the mental anguish and torment that you'd suffer, I bet she'd never get you that full year's membership for Christmas in the first place. It's the only reason that you go, after all.
I also said I'm going because I need the exercise. There's only so much muscle one can build just by walking. Also, I'm not really in anguish as much as I am disillusioned. I've learned too much to entertain the fantasy we are still living in the previous era, when a man could casually look at a sexy lady (or even chat her up) at the gym without fear of being wrongfully accused and his reputation torn to shreds.
Those halcyon days are over, it may not seem like it to all those top twenty percent Alpha males the ladies are fighting to the death over but, for all the other men, this isn't the case. If the average man looks at the wrong girl at the wrong time, even if it's just the briefest of glances, it's all over for him. "Harrassment XD" Worse still, even if the man is proven innocent (which has happened before), the lady faces no real consequences for her wrongdoing and in some cases, the punishment still remains on the man after exoneration.
= = = = = =
JUROR :: "We find the defendant not guilty of sexual harassment, Your Honor."
JUDGE :: "Excellent. This case is dismissed. Lifetime banishment for the defendant."
BANG
JUDGE :: "This court is adjourned."
GIRLS ON THE INTERNET :: "Tee hee hee!"
= = = =
But, as terrible this evil may be, it would be an even greater evil on my part to say to my fellow man, "Hey, man, no cause for alarm. All is well and there is no Hell. So, c'mawn in and leave your concerns at the door."
No. There is cause for concern because the risk and consequences of spinning the wrong number are very real. I accept the risk because it's the price of admission (hooray) but, I do what I must to mitigate those risks. But, that doesn't mean I have to love the situation, nor does it mean I am obliged to smile upon and to bless this abomination.
Today, going to the gym is a most excellent way for a man to be falsely accused of harassment by his beloved muscle women. The only reason I'm going to any gym at all is because my sister bought me a full year's membership for Christmas.
And when I do go, I avoid, avoid, fucking AVOID talking to any of the women there. And, I try to avert my gaze away from them as much as I can.
I just go in, focus on my exercises and on the music in my earbuds and then I get out, get out, and get the Hell out once I am done. I don't even bother doing most of my post-workout stretches there, I finish them at home.
I'm telling you, it's a far more evil and godless world out there now, amigo.
Bienvenidos al infierno.
Didn't you get banned? Could have sworn I saw that.
I guess they let you back on because they decided the world needed your hot takes and sad stories.
This is one of your best though. Good thing you GET THE HELL OUT once you're done - and you're wise not to do your post workout stretches, lest you be falsely accused. If your sister knew of the mental anguish and torment that you'd suffer, I bet she'd never get you that full year's membership for Christmas in the first place. It's the only reason that you go, after all.
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My little sister was a gymnast and she always had a 6 pack as a kid but was really skinny, I remember I always used to be grossed out seeing her abs.
Hi there! It was about 13 years ago when I first wondered why I liked buff girls. To be specific I get excited by how small and weak they make me feel. Their size, strength, weight and confidence and especially how they grow from puny and weak to massive and strong. In my fantasies I feel weak, out of control and hopeless (I know... I need a shrink, right? XD) I am also a big fan of FMG. I remember searching for some answers on the Internet. I could find hardly any. The question has started bugging me again. I know there is nothing wrong with it so don't go on a tangent about how there is nothing wrong with it. I already know that. With that being said, I am going to say what I think about why I have this kink. I was raised by overbearing parents, in particular my mother. She was extremely violent and aggressive as she indulged in frequent physical, verbal and psychological abuse. Needless to say, it was no fun.i also have a sister, much older than me who would vent and and beat the crap out of me. I can't be sure but I have the suspicion that something must have sipped into my being, in particular in the sexual part of my psyche. What are your thoughts? I have never thought of asking anyone. Thanks.
I have been enjoying reading through this thread expecting and finding the same mix of schmoe/GWM fan naivety, cluelessness, delusions or even outright bad faith ruminations when it comes to PED use and what women can achieve naturally; with always excellent counter-arguments from the usual suspects (Gatsby28, Muscle_Toez, bentley and apologies for those who I failed to mention).
I dare to posit that the Welden sisters represent what could be achieved naturally - although not 100% sure for Cynthia but she has been pumping iron since her teens. At least, one can say they have very pleasing physiques and special mention to their lightning skills that compliment them.
Healthiest mates, basically. Big, strong, beautiful women are likelier to produce big, strong, beautiful kids.
I'd turn the question on it's head - men who are attracted to petite, weak women are themselves mentally lacking. Yes I've found a fair few smaller women cute/attractive etc, but AABE a big strong beauty beats her smaller, weaker sister.
There are great forums about muscular girlfriend/wives and muscular friends, but I don't know if there's a forum about muscle girls on the family.
Maybe a mother, a sister, a cousin, a very distant cousin, an aunt... I'm very curious. And if so, how is the experience? Maybe not "grow up" perse as in "she was in my life the whole time", but rather just a muscle girl on your family.
I personally haven't. A 2nd cousin does ballet and she has great abs and good calves but nothing more than that (she's naturally skinny).
They could be sisters.
All these questionable stories about muscular stepdaughters and sisters, now they are gone... I read some of them... but of course just to improve my English 😉
yea it a bummer it seemed like that site was so basic and had been around for such a long time it seemed like it would survive the apocalypse. i could always rely on it when i had very shit internet or hardware .like i used to go to a boarding school they banned video game consoles and laptops. no wifi we only had nokia brick phones 2g internet slower than dial up 96p screen that could go online but were so primitive even wikipedia wouldn't load on it and i could only use a few megabytes before they shut the internet off. but Diana the Valkyrie worked used maybe 100kb and i could read these stories on the toilet without anyone knowing.
or at some point i had a Nintendo ds and again 99% of the 2009 internet didn't work on it. yet Diana the Valkyrie worked and i was able to read stuff in private .when my sister was using the laptop or t was broken for the 100th time that year .even more recently only 5 years ago i was in an hotel in another country and the wifi was so shitty nothing worked expect for you know.
and i have also started learning Italian and Spanish recently .and there are a lot of hidden gems out there on there that i missed out on in those languages .trying to find these stories on other sites can be annoying since they cater to all fetishes and you end up reading something gross or just very random Diana the Valkyrie was pure female muscle and even things like futa were rare. i think there is a more modern trend were people try to combine multiple fetishes into 1. but that didn't seem common in the 90s and 2000s .
this site inspired me to become a writer myself since i had some fantasies but i can't draw anything. i post my stories on deviant art because i thought you had to be a paying member just to post anything so this is a pretty bad business model in modern times and i am surprised it lasted so long. i like deviant art but i don't trust them since they may randomly decide to ban my stuff.
i naïvely thought the site was perfectly preserved on the wayback machine. but it seems a lot of stuff posted after 2018 is lost and a lot of stories that used accents or had limited graphics are messed up too. at least its better than more complex sites that are messed up because they use too much images or JavaScript or flash. even this site is quite messed up on the wayback machine.
i sometimes wondered what would happen to smaller sites when the owners die of old age .i hoped the owner was young when it got started and is now about 50 and would keep it going fr another 30 years and then sell the site or give it to a friend or at least archive everything or give us a warning that he was very ill and the site could shut down at any moment .but seems like he was older or had cancer or had an unexpected accident and didn't give the site to a successor or sold it. i also wonder what will happen to this site in the distant future? there isn't a lot o stuff similar to this left .
i first found that site in 2007 when i got my own laptop and kept searching body scissor one of the result's was sex and scissors a matter of life and death by tom walker from 1997. i ofcourse clicked it since most results didn't involve sex directly. but at first i didn't see the appeal of a story compared to images .but my internet was so bad i gave it a chance and it was very hot because it described the feelings of the character something you can't see in a video and i kept coming back.
like i told my friend once that i used to watch text based porn and he looked at me a boomer despite being only 2 years younger than me .but this stuff is still popular among many people because its very hot to be able to read about how the characters feel. you are not going to experience that and often you probably wouldn't want to anyway and you wont notice it in a video
I think the point of doing it is so that the best images can be upvoted, so we can start to actually give more focus to the good artists. and we can return to artists we like rather than them being lost in a thread somewhere. it might even push innovation and improvement. i know there is deviant art, but i actually think the functionality of gwm works better for this sort of thing. deviant art covers all sorts of topics and isnt focused enough. i agree, you should not mix the ai art with real humans. i also dont think that ai will mean we stop looking at real women. i mean c'mon. and i'm not sure what the pint of ai skepticism is. i mean it's not going to go away, no matter how much you complain, so what is the point of complaining exactly. but let's put it somewhere else, separate from the real girls.
chainer, i think it would be sufficient to replicate the gwm site as it is, call it gwmai, empty it of models, change model name to artist name as the upvoting system and boooooooom done. dont need to over complicate it.
For everyone saying "please no", this would of course be a sister site to GWM, not a part of the main GWM gallery. Or, at the least, it would be separated so you don't see both real and AI images at the same time.
Hmm, maybe. Although right now (kind of goes with what Chipperpip said) I'm not sure there's enough people making quality content mostly because the barrier to entry is so high. I think one problem the site would face is that it's too easy to pump out really mediocre gens and the site would get flooded with these, relative to the good ones at least.
GWM doesn't even have a great tag system and if I had this figured out I would implement it for GWM first before doing it for a different site.
This wouldn't be people generating images on the site itself (which would be a very difficult technical feat to pull off), but rather uploading their images they generated elsewhere.
As a sister site to this one. The setup would be basically the same, people would post pictures with #tags instead of names to search. Top comment might include a description of the prompt. I know this is much easier to spitball in a forum post than actually create and I am not a programmer in any sense of the word but I feel like it could be a ad revenue generator, especially with affiliate links from here. This idea came from the AI generated muscle girls thread which is chocked full of fantastic images but no way to easily navigate
Seems to me that many average people have an icky feeling about biological men who want to be women. One thing we could do is explore and explain the reasons for this ick and then attempt to address them, rationally and at face value, one by one, and see where we get. But I doubt this is going to happen, is allowed to happen or is even necessary to make happen, as long as the big answer is already no.
Then there is the ubiquitous misuse of the word hate, whose real meaning can range from avoidant dislike, which is practically always the case, to willingness to commit mass murder. The key being that people who have an avoidant dislike get accused of willingness to commit mass murder. But this is an example of the general tendency of trans rights activists to be on the attack and employ copious false accusations.
Most of the things said there are best ignored. Most of the things said amount to wishful gaslighting. But for the benefit of alarmed and confused onlookers I think a few things need to be said.
Beauty can be defined in two ways that I know of. First one is to consider it synonymous with desirable. This does not say a lot. But the Aristotelian concept contains three parts that are called clarity, integrity and consonance. I think men to women trans fail in all three. No matter if they can fool some people totally and many people initially, there is a gut feeling of confusion and ugliness and lack of purpose about the whole issue. I have no idea why trans activists talk here about fear, except as part of some kind of power fantasy.
I think what people really fear is a certain kind of toxicity. People fear the verbal aggression, false accusations and gaslighting will not end until the trans activists get their way. Though this is what they're probably counting on. That people would want to buy their silence by giving in.
Then again the concept of "hate speech". If voicing a personal dislike is considered "hate speech" then hate speech is a human right and any attempt to silence it is a human rights violation. I have no clue why trans activists are so much in love with these "sliding scale" concepts, whose only utility is in making false accusations. It takes all meaning away from language and makes rational discussion impossible.
Ignorance is not a substance or type of energy. It is a state of not knowing something that is presumably true. Disagreeing with someone is not the same thing as being ignorant, though practically always when someone is accused of ignorance he is in reality being accused of disagreeing with the accuser.
To paraphrase: These trans activists aren't juicing the ad numbers. They make the place look worse and feel worse. They're a buzzkill for anyone trying to get turned on by photos. I actually can't imagine any rationale as to why they're given so much deference.
I actually haven't seen anyone been given any kind of deference. It's a simple choice between two alternatives. Nobody really knows the reasons. Maybe it's ad revenue. Maybe it's some big principle or someone's peace of mind. Maybe something else. But usually when minorities get their way in things like this, it's due to unmerited deference. And cowardice. It's absolutely a sign of courage to not give in in the face of aggressive activism and false accusations.
The opposite of ignorance is to pretend to know something one possibly can not know in reality. It is actually possible that 100 % of what you quoted is not only false but the direct opposite of reality. Real knowledge is a balance between not knowing and knowing falsely.
Probably the only way to find out would be to set up a sister site and call it transwithmuscle or something. There would only be two problems. The more obvious one is I believe the site would not get much traffic. This for the simple reason that people want to see muscular biological women. Pay no attention to what they say but where they click. There is no getting around this. It is their sexuality. Trans activists basically consider themselves entitled to meddle with not only their own but especially other people's sexuality. The other one being that this meddling is the whole point of the bid and the exercise, so this is why a parallel site would not give them what they want. It would not fool anyone into taking biological men for women.
It's no more complicated than that I know what I want to be turned on by. If someone wants to fool me into being turned on by a biological male, then I naturally think that's disgusting. If he were to momentarily succeed but eventually fail then he may think he has proven something. But this is like arguing that since rape victims sometimes get turned on by the physical activity, no matter how much and consistently they object to it otherwise, then they must secretly like it. No doubt people also object to this meddling mentality or rape mentality.
Some women may think that I am not a handsome and desirable guy. But do I wish there was a law that entitled me to pass off as handsome and desirable to whichever woman I want, under the pain of wholesale destruction of her career, finances and other relationships? Or is she somehow entitled to not consider me handsome and desirable? Might I even call that hate? Or would you be so cruel as to tell me to simply learn to live with it?
Same here. My mom “found” my stash of fbb mags under my bed: Rather than feel humiliated, I should have been outraged. WTF was she doing snooping around in my room?
I can understand ekkijo's concerns to some degree, although in this day and age, it is far more acceptable than many years ago.
My mother found my secret stash of far less muscular women, than we see here. It was my fondest treasure. I was in my mid teens. Clippings from magazines, circus women, and a magazine of the old WPC "Women's Physical Culture Club". I had to wait weeks for that incredible magazine, sent from the Netherlands and it was expensive for that time. This was late 1960s.
My own mother called me a weirdo, thought there was something seriously wrong with me. It made me question my own feelings. Why am I like this? Seeing a high school girl, with buffed arms, brushing her hair, drove me crazy. I never approached any of the 5 or 6 buffed girls in high school for two reasons. They were out of my league, simply because they had muscular arms. Secondly, I was afraid to ever comment on their muscles because I feared, they would call me a weirdo!
In a strange twist to this, my sister one year younger than me, had muscular arms, with developed biceps. She was the only one I ever confided in about girls with muscles. My mother actually acted like she was ashamed of my sister because she thought muscles on girls was ugly. Times have changed for the better. That's for damn sure!!! Now I not only let my feelings be known in relationships, I only pursue buffed women.
Yea what a coincidence that she has the same name as a famous actress who is relatively muscular herself. but not on par with the fbb Jessica Simpson. when I first started getting sexual I thought that the 2 hottest women in the world were Jessica Simpson and demi Moore. but sometimes I would see athletes on TV and though they had better legs. and once I got unsupervised internet access I stopped caring about mainstream actresses and embraced my fetish. but recently I got nostalgic and looked up my favorite old music videos with her. and I noticed she was quite muscular and really stood out compared to the other actresses from the time who were hyper skinny. but these days I think the fbb Jessica Simpson is way hotter than the actress but both are stunning. But it just shows that I have always been attracted to muscle and nothing could have stopped it. I guess the fbb Jessica Simpson was born before Jessica Simpson the actress got famous. this is why I am glad my real name is gibberish my parents made up. But my sister's name is also random but there was a certain thing that was invented when she was 10 with the same name.
Super experience for you! She is still hot!
one of my older sister’s best friends IS the most athletic person i’ve ever met to this day, and definitely looked the part. a childhood full of arm wrestling and punching her abs def planted the seed before the hormones kicked in, so i can’t recall the “first time.” what i can recall, is finding out on facebook that she’s got 2 kids, a super successful personal training business, and is still shredded
Which is why the muscle thing doesn’t seem so bad if you keep it rather tame in comparison. But the platform itself and the reputation of the extremes makes it harder for someone to consider using it.
I saw a video the other day where a kid said his sister was a bad sister: she would dunk on his grades and brag about hers but he clapped back saying “what was it all for if you’re just going to sell yourself online”.
I am in my 70's. I first found out I was attracted to women or girls who have muscle when I was 10 or 11 years old. My uncle took me to visit his sister who was in her 30's at the time. We arrived and she was cleaning her house. She didn't know we were coming. She asked why didn't he call. She said she would have looked better, she said she was a mess. She pulled back her sleeve and flexed a big round bicep. Mind you this was in the early 60's. I never knew that a woman could have a muscle. I grew up thinking that all men were stronger than women. This also was before I knew anything about sex. I was so attracted to this woman. I never felt any attraction like that. This attraction has followed me all through my life. In school in those days girls who had muscles did not show them off. In the mid 70's I found an article about Miss Mira that showed her flexing a bicep. I have collected articles and magazines all my life. The internet is great. I almost feel that I created this whole woman's muscle craze. Never before in history have so many women and girls been into building muscle. Many times I have asked women and girls to flex. They usually do it. It always turns me on. Especially when they let me feel the muscle. My wife knows about my fetish. She does not have muscles. I love this quote: "The brain is the most outstanding organ. It works 24 hours, 365 days, right from your birth until you fall in love. The point I am making is do not feel guilty about your fetish. Enjoy it. I have always enjoyed the fact that I can be so turned on by a woman who can flex a nice bicep. Through the years I have been turned on by many of them and it is fun. When it comes to love you have no control over who you fall in love with. Enjoy your life. If you love this girl I hope you marry her and have a wonderful life. One more funny story about my uncle's sister. I am an attorney. Many years after I first saw her bicep that day she came to my office for a will. She must have been in her 60's, I told her about that day and what her flexed bicep did to me. She loved the fact that I told her. Sometimes things come full circle. Be well my friend.
lol Lifting5to9 is not your sister you weirdo.
You also pulled that pic from an armpit fetish facebook group.
She looks fantastic
I would also like to see some revenge humiliation stuff, like for examppe, some fitness girl is owerpowering some guy and teasing him over how weak he is and then some FBB walks in and puts the fitness girl in her place and does the whole strength humiliation thing to her. Kinda a "big sister" thing.
"Of coursie," said Horsie.
I also said I'm going because I need the exercise. There's only so much muscle one can build just by walking. Also, I'm not really in anguish as much as I am disillusioned. I've learned too much to entertain the fantasy we are still living in the previous era, when a man could casually look at a sexy lady (or even chat her up) at the gym without fear of being wrongfully accused and his reputation torn to shreds.
Those halcyon days are over, it may not seem like it to all those top twenty percent Alpha males the ladies are fighting to the death over but, for all the other men, this isn't the case. If the average man looks at the wrong girl at the wrong time, even if it's just the briefest of glances, it's all over for him. "Harrassment XD" Worse still, even if the man is proven innocent (which has happened before), the lady faces no real consequences for her wrongdoing and in some cases, the punishment still remains on the man after exoneration.
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JUROR :: "We find the defendant not guilty of sexual harassment, Your Honor."
JUDGE :: "Excellent. This case is dismissed. Lifetime banishment for the defendant."
BANG
JUDGE :: "This court is adjourned."
GIRLS ON THE INTERNET :: "Tee hee hee!"
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But, as terrible this evil may be, it would be an even greater evil on my part to say to my fellow man, "Hey, man, no cause for alarm. All is well and there is no Hell. So, c'mawn in and leave your concerns at the door."
No. There is cause for concern because the risk and consequences of spinning the wrong number are very real. I accept the risk because it's the price of admission (hooray) but, I do what I must to mitigate those risks. But, that doesn't mean I have to love the situation, nor does it mean I am obliged to smile upon and to bless this abomination.
I will not.
Didn't you get banned? Could have sworn I saw that.
I guess they let you back on because they decided the world needed your hot takes and sad stories.
This is one of your best though. Good thing you GET THE HELL OUT once you're done - and you're wise not to do your post workout stretches, lest you be falsely accused. If your sister knew of the mental anguish and torment that you'd suffer, I bet she'd never get you that full year's membership for Christmas in the first place. It's the only reason that you go, after all.