Oh, I can think of a few reasons - all of them very alike. XD It's Reddit, after all.
But there's the fact people use Reddit for many things, and the "Bodybuilfding" subreddit may be one of their various stops when they enter the site. Perhaps the (actual) women who post there do it after browsig other stuff. When you enter GWM, it's for one subject and one subject only.
except for the dozens of guys that have come through her pretending to be a woman or a specific woman to get their rocks off in role play
Literally can't understand how this comes under nudity. I can select about 100s of posts which can be called nude in this website. Will you delete all of them too ??
she's quite literally grinding a pillow i don't see how that's not adult content
(...)there is a mod there pretending to be these women for some reason.
Oh, I can think of a few reasons - all of them very alike. XD It's Reddit, after all.
But there's the fact people use Reddit for many things, and the "Bodybuilfding" subreddit may be one of their various stops when they enter the site. Perhaps the (actual) women who post there do it after browsig other stuff. When you enter GWM, it's for one subject and one subject only.
Literally can't understand how this comes under nudity. I can select about 100s of posts which can be called nude in this website. Will you delete all of them too ??
Turns out that there's women on there. Plenty of them. Admittedly bodybuilding is a majority male pursuit and Reddit is a majority male site, but women enjoy posting and interacting on there because the mods delete dumb and ignorant things when they get posted.
You're not wrong that this is a digital man cave though. I guess that it's just sad that "Girls With Muscle" is a site where... girls with muscle... overwhelmingly do not want to participate.
Doesn't have to be that way. Would be awesome if it wasn't. It's odd to me how everyone just accepts this as fact. As if women don't use the internet and female bodybuilders wouldn't be interested in a site that caters to female bodyubuilding.
I’ll be honest I don’t think half the the self posts of women are actually the women themselves.
I reported a 2 day old account who posted about their recent show and I found the woman on IG who said she had never posted that on Reddit and it was a fake document. My original report got me a ban which means to me there is a mod there pretending to be these women for some reason. They always have brand new accounts, respond to a handful of comments and never post again. And the comments there are relatively
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1) Zarklephaser is absolutely infamous for his enormously long worded responses . This isn’t my solo hot take. But maybe you’re new here.
2) I didn’t bring up trans people. I never mentioned them at all when starting this thread. Didn’t stop others from bringing it up.
Unlike other people on here, I’m not obsessed with trans folks. IDK why certain dudes have to bring them up constantly. I’m just pointing out that it happened.
3) suggesting a ban on negative comments isn’t trolling. It’s a moderation choice. Plenty of spots on Reddit and IG do exactly this.
4) it was an idea. I get that people don’t like it. I get that it won’t happen.
In a perfect world I’d enjoy this site and enjoy threads that are visited by beautiful athletic women who feel comfortable here. This was a thought on how to help get there
But instead, I guess we can roll with no women at all and guys taking pot shots at chicks who don’t look how they want them to look, and someone bitching about trans people even when they’re not being discussed.
It's clear that it's you who is doing the trolling here. As a bonus, you even resort to the usual reddit-tier argument of "your proper argument/post is too long!! I won't be responding to actual effort!!" You've also brought up transsexuals several times across the forums, for no other reason than to seemingly start flamewars. In short: go troll somewhere else.
Doesn't have to be that way. Would be awesome if it wasn't. It's odd to me how everyone just accepts this as fact.
I tried to think deeply what would need to change. I imagined that the moderators would begin excising all lewd, fetishizing and objectifying content, including comments, messages and entire discussions. Maybe the women would come eventually, but majority of the non-bodybuilding male userbase would be gone by then. Most of the comments, messages, stories and image themes with them. Many would rebel against the restrictions. A few would now and then unwittingly post something lewd or objectifying and cause a scandal.
Sex, sexuality, sensuality and fantasies. If you got rid of all of those, this would be a safe meeting place for female bodybuilders. But a site or a subreddit for bodybuilders and one for their anonymous admirers are necessarily two different things.
It's like there was a forum for recreational drug users that had some doctors and pharmacists participating. Then someone complained that you're driving out all the doctors and pharmacists with your stories of tripping out of your mind or doing dumb and dangerous stuff, so I wish this site was only or primarily for doctors and pharmacists. It's not impossible to run a site purely for doctors and pharmacists or even bodybuilders, but it's impossible to do it while retaining the former, wider or original purpose of catering to recreational users.
By turning an underground theater into a Hollywood lounge you lose the underground theater.
It's not the dumb expressions of sensuality that keep the women out, exemplified by the "boing" and "goddess" exclamations. It's the very aspect of sensuality itself. I think it was already established that it never was the negativity, whatever anyone thinks it means.
This is partly a flashback to the discussions about the comment filter, where the dumbest and most simplistic lewd commenters kept defending themselves by going on and on about "hostile" comments and how they're just "complimenting" the women, while everyone kept telling them they are the problem and hostile comments are already being taken care of. What probably confused them to no end was that they got the basic idea right, that this is a site for anonymous admirers, but were too lazy or stupid to express it properly.
I'm not sure if tags are the best way to do it. There's a summary for each model at the top of their page, but seems like it's statistical data generated on the go.
If the site ever displayed height, last known weight, ethnicity, nationality, date of birth, maiden name and such, that's the place it should go. The problem is duplicate names and misidentified pictures and possibly privacy issues, so people should add such data only when it's obvious that it's correct and public.
I wonder if comments asking for names or social media accounts, after a name has clearly been posted, should be either removed by moderators on sight, reported by other users as a rule, or removed by the users constantly making them.
There are ups and downs to making that info a tag for an individual picture. But almost the same effect can be had by simply posting it in the comments. With the added bonus of making it searchable.
Just a thought, but what about a class of tag with "=" at the end that would allow some free text to be added after it? The most obvious would be insta= and tiktok=. That would save a lot of comments asking for them.
I took a look and they are different photos from the same shoot. I’ll check with the mod who took the action.
Edit: so I looked into it a bit more and I see they were both uploaded at the same time, with one being merged into the video and the other deleted with the message. Since they were both uploaded at the same time, I don’t see any evidence you were ignoring the explanation given earlier. I’ve converted the deletion into a merge, into:
Turns out that there's women on there. Plenty of them. Admittedly bodybuilding is a majority male pursuit and Reddit is a majority male site, but women enjoy posting and interacting on there because the mods delete dumb and ignorant things when they get posted.
You're not wrong that this is a digital man cave though. I guess that it's just sad that "Girls With Muscle" is a site where... girls with muscle... overwhelmingly do not want to participate.
Doesn't have to be that way. Would be awesome if it wasn't. It's odd to me how everyone just accepts this as fact. As if women don't use the internet and female bodybuilders wouldn't be interested in a site that caters to female bodyubuilding.
Hey, wait a minute, don't adopt an attitude that doesn't belong to you: don't scold me like an angry mother.
You are making a mistake, since these are two different pics. I didn't reupload anything. Both pics, the previously merged one and this one were uploaded at the same time.
Motivation and inspiration for girls with muscles or girls without muscles who wants to get some. But all they can see here are just the results, there is nothing about the sport by itself.
If you want to attract more of these girls among users, I suggest the creation of a whole forum subdivision, for girls and animated by them, where they could discuss about training tips, diet, preps and other stuff.
Female body builders are not an easy thing to find content of, so that's my two cents as this site at least has a fairly organized media collection to find and look up when you have a kink for that body type and is not inherently male focused.
Even if someone never touches PEDs, they are on a diet and exercise regimen that is abnormal.
There's a clear difference between what it is and why people are excited by it.
There may be some who find exciting the thought of a woman popping pills that cause her muscles to grow. Then there are those who like the idea of muscles growing. This I personally find irritating, especially when some woman has perfectly good and healthy muscles and someone comments that it's a "good start" or that she's "getting there", as if every woman here was destined to become a ridiculously ballooning striated mass. Then there are those who find the side effects exciting.
I think quite many like the idea of these women being what I'd call muscular personalities. They ignore the entire issue of PEDs or even the amount of time spent in the gym, as if the woman had grown big without doing almost anything. They want to think of normal girls with big big muscles, as opposed to girls who invest heavily into shaping their bodies. Girl next door personalities instead of bodybuilder personalities. A hilarious way to summarize it would be that they want the muscles but not the bodybuilder.
Some are drawn to the real or imagined focus and determination of the fit or muscular girl next door or the girl they knew in school. I understand this because there is a certain kind of envy or longing to be the determined and successful child yourself. But it has always sounded somewhat hollow to me to admire unknown adult women for their dedication and determination. As if browsing this site alone was a way to support them.
Frankly, I am not interested in how the sausage gets made. I just like the results.
I believe you mean you ignore the issue of PEDs as in you don't mind. But it's at least as common for some to ignore the issue of PEDs because they would mind very much. Girls with muscle, not female bodybuilders with muscle.
People fetishize PEDs, muscle growth, PED side effects and finally just muscles but I doubt anyone fetishizes the hard work. Depending on this people then emphasize, do what they can to ignore or don't mind the role of PEDs.
There is nothing natural about bodybuilding. Even if someone never touches PEDs, they are on a diet and exercise regimen that is abnormal. If I wanted "natural" looking women, I would not be on a website looking at someone's veiny abs. Frankly, I am not interested in how the sausage gets made. I just like the results.
So blueglow thinks he's better than everyone else by cooking up an imaginary user of a fetish site that respects the models like they were his family members. Lest he get punched by their boyfriends. The more sanctimoniously nice you are, the better person you are.
Then I think I am better than everyone else by trying to explain why my take is the most realistic of all. The more realistic you are, the more you apply your intellect to the problem, the better person you are. I don't really think this way, but for the purpose of this argument let's suppose I do.
Then you think you're better than everyone else. By calling everyone names. So the more frustrated, disgusted and condescending you are, the better person you are.
Rambling textbook-length posts by Zarklephaser.
I could just state my opinion and think everyone will bow down because I said it. Or I could run around voting for other people's opinions. As if that mattered either. Or I can offer my reasons for why I think I'm right and the other person is wrong. I think that's the fairest way to see who knows what he's talking about. But there are some who clearly think it's a disgusting way to drown and suffocate the other person's opinion, as if mine was anything more than that.
Hell there's even transphobia and bigotry.
I still don't believe transphobia is a valid concept or a real phenomenon. It's like I started seeing zarklephobia in your messages. "You're clearly afraid of me. My way with words makes your head spin. I can clearly see the weak anger and despair it causes in you to be proven so totally wrong. I'd pity you, but I can't help you, since your own views have made you unfit for life and ensured your self-destruction. Now run and don't ever look back. That's the only way you can be safe from me and from the zarklephobia of your diseased mind." I think that captures the attitude of accusing someone of phobia pretty well.
It's a manipulation tactic and a good example of reverse communication, telling the listener what he supposedly feels without ever explaining why he should or why he would. Because it's a rhetorical weapon and not a thing in reality, bigotry and transphobia are false accusations over 99 % of the time. Unproven and incapable of proof, so maybe that's why nobody ever tries to give any evidence either. It's like preemptively calling everyone a sick, disgusting bastard, as in you can't call me because I already called you.
Whenever anyone asks WHY DON'T MORE WOMEN WANT TO TALK ON THE FORUM?!?
I haven't seen anyone ask, because everyone probably knows the women have better things to do. This is a digital man cave. There is no way to turn this into anything else without destroying it totally. The women who come here either don't mind the man cave atmosphere or may have some reason for tolerating it. Of course it may come as a nasty surprise for someone now and then, but I really don't believe you can help it.
Real women are out of the question. The only thing this clamor applies to is trans individuals. I've never seen such a blatant and deluded bait and switch. Two separate issues and fixing either one of them is both unnecessary and impossible.
I'm enjoying reading this thread every time there's an update.
I enjoy reading stuff half the time, because sometimes there's something new to learn. Or there's some interesting issue I can think through with moderate effort and maybe write about. But what separates us is that I've never found disgust or disdain enjoyable.
Unless that was an attempt at sarcasm and you're really saddened by the things you mentioned. Believe it or not, I don't feel devoted enough to this to feel sad about anything. You may receive flak sometimes and then life goes on.
correct--because the easiest way to take a photo of yourself is to take a video and then take a screenshot of the video, which is what they do. she posted at least 2 stills from that same video
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This argument comes up often enough that I wrote a post about it.
https://www.girlswithmuscle.com/forum/thread/...
except for the dozens of guys that have come through her pretending to be a woman or a specific woman to get their rocks off in role play
she's quite literally grinding a pillow i don't see how that's not adult content
I just looked and it was a video and the "adult content" part probably applies. The content also suggests it was probably from OF.
Oh, I can think of a few reasons - all of them very alike. XD It's Reddit, after all.
But there's the fact people use Reddit for many things, and the "Bodybuilfding" subreddit may be one of their various stops when they enter the site. Perhaps the (actual) women who post there do it after browsig other stuff. When you enter GWM, it's for one subject and one subject only.
Literally can't understand how this comes under nudity. I can select about 100s of posts which can be called nude in this website. Will you delete all of them too ??
I’ll be honest I don’t think half the the self posts of women are actually the women themselves.
I reported a 2 day old account who posted about their recent show and I found the woman on IG who said she had never posted that on Reddit and it was a fake document. My original report got me a ban which means to me there is a mod there pretending to be these women for some reason. They always have brand new accounts, respond to a handful of comments and never post again. And the comments there are relatively Tame
The greatest irony that I see here is that for as adored muscular women are, there is also quite a bit of distain towards them.
This.
Generally speaking, it is Gresham‘s Law at work; just substitute postings for currency.
^ my dude…
1) Zarklephaser is absolutely infamous for his enormously long worded responses . This isn’t my solo hot take. But maybe you’re new here.
2) I didn’t bring up trans people. I never mentioned them at all when starting this thread. Didn’t stop others from bringing it up.
Unlike other people on here, I’m not obsessed with trans folks. IDK why certain dudes have to bring them up constantly. I’m just pointing out that it happened.
3) suggesting a ban on negative comments isn’t trolling. It’s a moderation choice. Plenty of spots on Reddit and IG do exactly this.
4) it was an idea. I get that people don’t like it. I get that it won’t happen.
In a perfect world I’d enjoy this site and enjoy threads that are visited by beautiful athletic women who feel comfortable here. This was a thought on how to help get there
But instead, I guess we can roll with no women at all and guys taking pot shots at chicks who don’t look how they want them to look, and someone bitching about trans people even when they’re not being discussed.
Cool, I guess.
OK @tamarok Thank you
With comments like
It's clear that it's you who is doing the trolling here. As a bonus, you even resort to the usual reddit-tier argument of "your proper argument/post is too long!! I won't be responding to actual effort!!" You've also brought up transsexuals several times across the forums, for no other reason than to seemingly start flamewars. In short: go troll somewhere else.
I tried to think deeply what would need to change. I imagined that the moderators would begin excising all lewd, fetishizing and objectifying content, including comments, messages and entire discussions. Maybe the women would come eventually, but majority of the non-bodybuilding male userbase would be gone by then. Most of the comments, messages, stories and image themes with them. Many would rebel against the restrictions. A few would now and then unwittingly post something lewd or objectifying and cause a scandal.
Sex, sexuality, sensuality and fantasies. If you got rid of all of those, this would be a safe meeting place for female bodybuilders. But a site or a subreddit for bodybuilders and one for their anonymous admirers are necessarily two different things.
It's like there was a forum for recreational drug users that had some doctors and pharmacists participating. Then someone complained that you're driving out all the doctors and pharmacists with your stories of tripping out of your mind or doing dumb and dangerous stuff, so I wish this site was only or primarily for doctors and pharmacists. It's not impossible to run a site purely for doctors and pharmacists or even bodybuilders, but it's impossible to do it while retaining the former, wider or original purpose of catering to recreational users.
By turning an underground theater into a Hollywood lounge you lose the underground theater.
It's not the dumb expressions of sensuality that keep the women out, exemplified by the "boing" and "goddess" exclamations. It's the very aspect of sensuality itself. I think it was already established that it never was the negativity, whatever anyone thinks it means.
This is partly a flashback to the discussions about the comment filter, where the dumbest and most simplistic lewd commenters kept defending themselves by going on and on about "hostile" comments and how they're just "complimenting" the women, while everyone kept telling them they are the problem and hostile comments are already being taken care of. What probably confused them to no end was that they got the basic idea right, that this is a site for anonymous admirers, but were too lazy or stupid to express it properly.
The comments are searchable right now. I think users are trained to use tags, but the comments are potentially a rich source of data.
I'm not sure if tags are the best way to do it. There's a summary for each model at the top of their page, but seems like it's statistical data generated on the go.
If the site ever displayed height, last known weight, ethnicity, nationality, date of birth, maiden name and such, that's the place it should go. The problem is duplicate names and misidentified pictures and possibly privacy issues, so people should add such data only when it's obvious that it's correct and public.
I wonder if comments asking for names or social media accounts, after a name has clearly been posted, should be either removed by moderators on sight, reported by other users as a rule, or removed by the users constantly making them.
There are ups and downs to making that info a tag for an individual picture. But almost the same effect can be had by simply posting it in the comments. With the added bonus of making it searchable.
Just a thought, but what about a class of tag with "=" at the end that would allow some free text to be added after it? The most obvious would be insta= and tiktok=. That would save a lot of comments asking for them.
I took a look and they are different photos from the same shoot. I’ll check with the mod who took the action.
Edit: so I looked into it a bit more and I see they were both uploaded at the same time, with one being merged into the video and the other deleted with the message. Since they were both uploaded at the same time, I don’t see any evidence you were ignoring the explanation given earlier. I’ve converted the deletion into a merge, into:
^^ I'm not reading all that, but I'll respond to this bit with a link
*"Real women are out of the question." *
May I present this: https://www.reddit.com/r/bodybuilding/
Turns out that there's women on there. Plenty of them. Admittedly bodybuilding is a majority male pursuit and Reddit is a majority male site, but women enjoy posting and interacting on there because the mods delete dumb and ignorant things when they get posted.
You're not wrong that this is a digital man cave though. I guess that it's just sad that "Girls With Muscle" is a site where... girls with muscle... overwhelmingly do not want to participate.
Doesn't have to be that way. Would be awesome if it wasn't. It's odd to me how everyone just accepts this as fact. As if women don't use the internet and female bodybuilders wouldn't be interested in a site that caters to female bodyubuilding.
Hey, wait a minute, don't adopt an attitude that doesn't belong to you: don't scold me like an angry mother. You are making a mistake, since these are two different pics. I didn't reupload anything. Both pics, the previously merged one and this one were uploaded at the same time.
https://www.instagram.com/p/C7dJ6XBtU4p/?img_... first merged https://www.instagram.com/p/C7dJ6XBtU4p/?img_... second merged
Motivation and inspiration for girls with muscles or girls without muscles who wants to get some. But all they can see here are just the results, there is nothing about the sport by itself. If you want to attract more of these girls among users, I suggest the creation of a whole forum subdivision, for girls and animated by them, where they could discuss about training tips, diet, preps and other stuff.
Female body builders are not an easy thing to find content of, so that's my two cents as this site at least has a fairly organized media collection to find and look up when you have a kink for that body type and is not inherently male focused.
There's a clear difference between what it is and why people are excited by it.
There may be some who find exciting the thought of a woman popping pills that cause her muscles to grow. Then there are those who like the idea of muscles growing. This I personally find irritating, especially when some woman has perfectly good and healthy muscles and someone comments that it's a "good start" or that she's "getting there", as if every woman here was destined to become a ridiculously ballooning striated mass. Then there are those who find the side effects exciting.
I think quite many like the idea of these women being what I'd call muscular personalities. They ignore the entire issue of PEDs or even the amount of time spent in the gym, as if the woman had grown big without doing almost anything. They want to think of normal girls with big big muscles, as opposed to girls who invest heavily into shaping their bodies. Girl next door personalities instead of bodybuilder personalities. A hilarious way to summarize it would be that they want the muscles but not the bodybuilder.
Some are drawn to the real or imagined focus and determination of the fit or muscular girl next door or the girl they knew in school. I understand this because there is a certain kind of envy or longing to be the determined and successful child yourself. But it has always sounded somewhat hollow to me to admire unknown adult women for their dedication and determination. As if browsing this site alone was a way to support them.
I believe you mean you ignore the issue of PEDs as in you don't mind. But it's at least as common for some to ignore the issue of PEDs because they would mind very much. Girls with muscle, not female bodybuilders with muscle.
People fetishize PEDs, muscle growth, PED side effects and finally just muscles but I doubt anyone fetishizes the hard work. Depending on this people then emphasize, do what they can to ignore or don't mind the role of PEDs.
I find the arguments to be useless.
There is nothing natural about bodybuilding. Even if someone never touches PEDs, they are on a diet and exercise regimen that is abnormal. If I wanted "natural" looking women, I would not be on a website looking at someone's veiny abs. Frankly, I am not interested in how the sausage gets made. I just like the results.
So blueglow thinks he's better than everyone else by cooking up an imaginary user of a fetish site that respects the models like they were his family members. Lest he get punched by their boyfriends. The more sanctimoniously nice you are, the better person you are.
Then I think I am better than everyone else by trying to explain why my take is the most realistic of all. The more realistic you are, the more you apply your intellect to the problem, the better person you are. I don't really think this way, but for the purpose of this argument let's suppose I do.
Then you think you're better than everyone else. By calling everyone names. So the more frustrated, disgusted and condescending you are, the better person you are.
I could just state my opinion and think everyone will bow down because I said it. Or I could run around voting for other people's opinions. As if that mattered either. Or I can offer my reasons for why I think I'm right and the other person is wrong. I think that's the fairest way to see who knows what he's talking about. But there are some who clearly think it's a disgusting way to drown and suffocate the other person's opinion, as if mine was anything more than that.
I still don't believe transphobia is a valid concept or a real phenomenon. It's like I started seeing zarklephobia in your messages. "You're clearly afraid of me. My way with words makes your head spin. I can clearly see the weak anger and despair it causes in you to be proven so totally wrong. I'd pity you, but I can't help you, since your own views have made you unfit for life and ensured your self-destruction. Now run and don't ever look back. That's the only way you can be safe from me and from the zarklephobia of your diseased mind." I think that captures the attitude of accusing someone of phobia pretty well.
It's a manipulation tactic and a good example of reverse communication, telling the listener what he supposedly feels without ever explaining why he should or why he would. Because it's a rhetorical weapon and not a thing in reality, bigotry and transphobia are false accusations over 99 % of the time. Unproven and incapable of proof, so maybe that's why nobody ever tries to give any evidence either. It's like preemptively calling everyone a sick, disgusting bastard, as in you can't call me because I already called you.
I haven't seen anyone ask, because everyone probably knows the women have better things to do. This is a digital man cave. There is no way to turn this into anything else without destroying it totally. The women who come here either don't mind the man cave atmosphere or may have some reason for tolerating it. Of course it may come as a nasty surprise for someone now and then, but I really don't believe you can help it.
Real women are out of the question. The only thing this clamor applies to is trans individuals. I've never seen such a blatant and deluded bait and switch. Two separate issues and fixing either one of them is both unnecessary and impossible.
I enjoy reading stuff half the time, because sometimes there's something new to learn. Or there's some interesting issue I can think through with moderate effort and maybe write about. But what separates us is that I've never found disgust or disdain enjoyable.
Unless that was an attempt at sarcasm and you're really saddened by the things you mentioned. Believe it or not, I don't feel devoted enough to this to feel sad about anything. You may receive flak sometimes and then life goes on.
correct--because the easiest way to take a photo of yourself is to take a video and then take a screenshot of the video, which is what they do. she posted at least 2 stills from that same video