I'd second one point I saw here. I think all the rules should preferably be found in one place. This way all you would need to do later on would be to link to the rules for further explanation. This would stop many from going through the same arguments over and over again. Things that I did not know but only learned randomly were:
There are no trans people on the main site. There are at least a few of these women who have left me guessing and a bit uneasy.
The blacklist should not be published because that would defeat part of its purpose.
The real names of the HBC models should not be mentioned. A point I would like to add is that there is no absolute privacy or absolute publicity. It happens in degrees and this site would or could be one step too many for some model.
One thing I do not understand is that some moderately interesting threads get closed. There was one about bodybuilders physically protecting their friends and loved ones, which turned into one about bodybuilders physically beating up their friends and loved ones. I found that hilarious because for reasons I won't go into now that's a big fantasy for some. Maybe someone would some day wish to know all the facts of the matter and that would finally kill the curiosity. Possibly the fantasy too.
I wish also that commenters would separate fact from fantasy. There are at least some who go around calling almost every woman a boxer or a fighter or a powerlifter or a judoka even when in the picture there's just a fitness-level woman training for her own health and pleasure. It gives you the idea that they wish every woman here would be trained in MMA and either willing to beat them up or willing to show them that she could do so easily. Though this mostly happens in comments to pictures so this was slightly off topic now.
Common sense is not magical or innate. It literally means a learned ability to know what is the proper or improper use of a thing. It hasn't necessarily got anything to do with any truth about some final object. Or in other words, even when the end is good, it does not justify all possible means to achieve it. Even if someone could argue that women being sexually attracted to women defies common sense, attacking them with cheap shots does that as least as much.
Whatever solution gets implemented, it would be great to be able to filter through workouts. For example, if I want to see specific forearm workouts, the best I can do is choose "forearms" and "working out" and hope for the better. I think the best solution would be specifics sets/categories of tags that have influence on others (such as the "muscles on display" idea). Either this or let users add tags danbooru style (i would link what im referring to but i cant post links lol).
the GWM leadership seems to like the tags the way they are, or might even want to reduce the number of tags a bit.
The goal of this thread was and still is to help design a new tag system, something that will be more efficient and help users find the images they want to see. There are already five pages in this thread and most of the comments are "Can we have tag xyz" which is not what Chainer wants to do. Imagine uploading or looking for an image and having to search through hundreds of tags just to get the right one.
I like all these ideas, but like I've said above, the GWM leadership seems to like the tags the way they are, or might even want to reduce the number of tags a bit.
With over a million pictures on the site, do you really stumble upon old pictures repeatedly that much? Actually, I am curious: what is your workflow for finding old images you like? Help me understand.
Well, quite often I'll begin by searching for a particular model, some of whose content I will have favorited before, and some of whose content I may not like, but will have been unable to mark as such.
At this point, it would be convenient to be able to refine the search to efficiently separate out what I have seen before (and liked or disliked) from content that has been added since I last searched for that model.
As things currently stand, I would have to revisit an image and redecide which category it falls into. As more content is added for the model in question, the set of images/videos that is new to me will eventually be small compared to what I have already seen for them.
So it feels to me like my procedure for judging their content ends up being quadratic over time in the total amount of their content on the site when it could be linear if the suggestions I'm talking about were in place. 👓
Bear in mind that I'll be following this process randomly across many models at once in a given session, so I have no way of tracking new content for a specific model in a working state that persists across sessions.
I am aware of the Subscribe functionality, but enabling it for all the models I'm interested in would result in an overwhelming number of notifications, and drown out the sort of notification signal I am perhaps more interested in - namely whether and how any site user has responded to the comments that I so enjoy posting.
There is an improvement to the recommendations coming ideally in the next few months, so keep an eye out for that.
I'd want to think about whether there is any overlap to be had between that and overhauling the tag system since both of these ideas have something to do with categorizing images.
I think the advantage of implementing the Favorites grouping is that it allows users to make groupings according to their own idiosyncratic likings/kinks, and additionally have the option to keep these groupings private (within their own account). I'm not sure how you plan to implement the tag system, but I would think that tags can only exist if enough users find them useful, and hence by definition be somewhat generic and public.
Yes, I am aware of the favorite grouping suggestion, it has been proposed several times. I could see myself implementing it but it's not terribly high on my list at the moment. I'd want to think about whether there is any overlap to be had between that and overhauling the tag system since both of these ideas have something to do with categorizing images. Regarding the tags specifically, I haven't made much progress on that front. It's the kind of large overhaul I would only get into once I was very sure that I had a great replacement, and I haven't been sold on anything that's been proposed nor ideas I've thought up myself.
But I recognize that I will also be inefficiently and unknowingly repeatedly revisiting content that I have judged unfavorably in the past.
With over a million pictures on the site, do you really stumble upon old pictures repeatedly that much? Actually, I am curious: what is your workflow for finding old images you like? Help me understand.
And the first option is available in restricted, inflexible form through the "recommended for you" functionality.
There is an improvement to the recommendations coming ideally in the next few months, so keep an eye out for that.
I posted a feature request related to organizing favourites into "Collections", but it didn't gain traction. Posting it here in case the mods missed it:
Thank you for taking the time to look into this, Chainer.
Regarding the "exclude my favorites" proposal: I didn't think about performance and although I am a dev myself (surprise! ☺), I don't know enough about databases to be able to comment in retrospect on whether your findings are to have been expected.
Regarding the "dislike" proposal: I presume that as the dev of this site, you will have eyes on the big picture (how do features affect the system as a whole?) but not necessarily so much on the user experience (how your design decisions affect us).
(user experience... heh! 😒)
So I wanted to offer that alternative perspective. Since I find myself passing judgment on a never-ending stream of content, it would be helpful to have an unbiased way of tracking what ground I've already covered, as opposed to the great ocean of beauty that still lies undiscovered before me. (with apologies to Sir Isaac)
As things stand, I can see what I have judged favorably in the past. But I recognize that I will also be inefficiently and unknowingly repeatedly revisiting content that I have judged unfavorably in the past.
It would be a better 💉user💉 experience for me to be able to:
Focus on novel content - ideally being able to choose not to stumble across content that I've already decided I don't like.
Focus on building the collection of what I do like without rehashing it in the process - by excluding what I've already decided I do like.
Focus on appreciating my existing collection when I feel inclined to do so.
Currently, only the third option is fully available to me through the existing favorites functionality. And the first option is available in restricted, inflexible form through the "recommended for you" functionality.
Would it be possible to implement a way to allow for mass favorite deletions? I.E. so I could select and delete a large number of pics from my favorites. After some 13 years here, I have a ton of pics in my favs that I would love to remove, but doing it one at a time is just too time consuming.
Having a way to filter out our existing favorites from advanced search results streamlines this process. It should be a straightforward matter of adding a negated WHERE clause to a SELECT statement somewhere...👓
You're right that implementing it is that simple, but this doesn't take performance into account. When you're trying to exclude a large number of images from the query, it can slow it down significanly.
I ran a test (in my dev environment) where I implemented this and tried to load a page of the image gallery using your account (filtering out your favorites), and I did not notice a significant slowdown. But then I tried the same thing using this guy's account, and it's been loading for about 5 minutes and it's still not done.
You have about 50,000 favorites and he has about 430,000. I don't know where the line is between "reasonable" and "completely disastrous". It seems it may not be a linear relationship.
So I am suggesting that likes continue to contribute to a publically accessible popularity score, but that dislikes are private and don't detract from it.
What would be the point of a dislike button if it doesn't detract from the score?
If it's meant to hide those images from view for you, it runs into the same performance problem once you have used it a lot (on hundreds of thousands of images).
The above request is actually related to supporting users in maintaining their own personal view of liked vs disliked images&videos. Each image/video is actually in one of three states from a user's perspective: liked, disliked, or not yet seen.
So, a related request is:
Is it possible to allow users to track this type of three-valued state per image/video?
I know there was a problem with "zero-bombing" with the old scoring system and hence it was removed.
So I am suggesting that likes continue to contribute to a publically accessible popularity score, but that dislikes are private and don't detract from it.
I suppose the +1 feature is a kind of third value of the state already. But it's the wrong kind for the purpose I'm expressing here. Why should my setting +1 on an image/video to track my private dislike of it contribute to its public popularity? That's perverse.
Kiki has 11 pages (11!) of very similar looking photos. Everything she posts doesn’t need to be uploaded. Feel free to save these to your hard drive if you’re afraid they might be deleted but the reality is she posts the same poses repeatedly. Her Instagram is open and public, also, so there’s no need to post every one of her posts.
I understand that the moderators are removing Kiki pics because they are too similar but it's getting ridiculous.
When i check most of my kiki notifications they are already deleted. NUISANCE!
The other day there was a stunning pic of her in red leggings, i faved it, next day it's gone.
Has she asked for this moderation? Why are her pics being removed when there are so many other girls with samey or low quality pics. Im for keeping more kiki pics, who's with me?
Performer would probably work, but I think considering some of the current tags are quite vague I think the community would quite easily come to a consensus on the meaning of "celebrity"
Excellent. This should make looking up porn stars easier. j/k
Moderators, you have deleted this photo by Nami Diamante:
Then delete all the others too, because she morphs her photos. Add her to the blacklist for photoshopping her images.
Currently the ratio between not morphed and morphed pictures isn't high enough to blacklist her entirely. There are morphed pictures and we are always thankful if users report them to us and point out where to look for, but as of now it's "not enough" so that we are only deleting the morphed ones and not everything.
the comment wasn't really relevant to the discussion, and we typically delete those. also the guy ragequit and deleted all his uploads, so he can't take any apparently, either.
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I'd second one point I saw here. I think all the rules should preferably be found in one place. This way all you would need to do later on would be to link to the rules for further explanation. This would stop many from going through the same arguments over and over again. Things that I did not know but only learned randomly were:
There are no trans people on the main site. There are at least a few of these women who have left me guessing and a bit uneasy.
The blacklist should not be published because that would defeat part of its purpose.
The real names of the HBC models should not be mentioned. A point I would like to add is that there is no absolute privacy or absolute publicity. It happens in degrees and this site would or could be one step too many for some model.
One thing I do not understand is that some moderately interesting threads get closed. There was one about bodybuilders physically protecting their friends and loved ones, which turned into one about bodybuilders physically beating up their friends and loved ones. I found that hilarious because for reasons I won't go into now that's a big fantasy for some. Maybe someone would some day wish to know all the facts of the matter and that would finally kill the curiosity. Possibly the fantasy too.
I wish also that commenters would separate fact from fantasy. There are at least some who go around calling almost every woman a boxer or a fighter or a powerlifter or a judoka even when in the picture there's just a fitness-level woman training for her own health and pleasure. It gives you the idea that they wish every woman here would be trained in MMA and either willing to beat them up or willing to show them that she could do so easily. Though this mostly happens in comments to pictures so this was slightly off topic now.
Common sense is not magical or innate. It literally means a learned ability to know what is the proper or improper use of a thing. It hasn't necessarily got anything to do with any truth about some final object. Or in other words, even when the end is good, it does not justify all possible means to achieve it. Even if someone could argue that women being sexually attracted to women defies common sense, attacking them with cheap shots does that as least as much.
Whatever solution gets implemented, it would be great to be able to filter through workouts. For example, if I want to see specific forearm workouts, the best I can do is choose "forearms" and "working out" and hope for the better. I think the best solution would be specifics sets/categories of tags that have influence on others (such as the "muscles on display" idea). Either this or let users add tags danbooru style (i would link what im referring to but i cant post links lol).
My proposition is to add tag "flexible", and and remove "gymnast". Cuz every gymnast is flexible, but not every flexible is gymnast.
The goal of this thread was and still is to help design a new tag system, something that will be more efficient and help users find the images they want to see. There are already five pages in this thread and most of the comments are "Can we have tag xyz" which is not what Chainer wants to do. Imagine uploading or looking for an image and having to search through hundreds of tags just to get the right one.
I like all these ideas, but like I've said above, the GWM leadership seems to like the tags the way they are, or might even want to reduce the number of tags a bit.
Has anyone mentioned a muscle control tag? More specifically a pec or glute flexing tag?
YESSSS would love a transformation tag.
"transformation(s)" - this is one of the most-requested categories at HB
"mature" or similar - an ode to the 40+ women who are still modeling or showing off on their instagrams, etc, just a thought
Thanks in advance.
Well, quite often I'll begin by searching for a particular model, some of whose content I will have favorited before, and some of whose content I may not like, but will have been unable to mark as such.
At this point, it would be convenient to be able to refine the search to efficiently separate out what I have seen before (and liked or disliked) from content that has been added since I last searched for that model.
As things currently stand, I would have to revisit an image and redecide which category it falls into. As more content is added for the model in question, the set of images/videos that is new to me will eventually be small compared to what I have already seen for them.
So it feels to me like my procedure for judging their content ends up being quadratic over time in the total amount of their content on the site when it could be linear if the suggestions I'm talking about were in place. 👓
Bear in mind that I'll be following this process randomly across many models at once in a given session, so I have no way of tracking new content for a specific model in a working state that persists across sessions.
I am aware of the Subscribe functionality, but enabling it for all the models I'm interested in would result in an overwhelming number of notifications, and drown out the sort of notification signal I am perhaps more interested in - namely whether and how any site user has responded to the comments that I so enjoy posting.
I look forward to it. ☺
I think the advantage of implementing the Favorites grouping is that it allows users to make groupings according to their own idiosyncratic likings/kinks, and additionally have the option to keep these groupings private (within their own account). I'm not sure how you plan to implement the tag system, but I would think that tags can only exist if enough users find them useful, and hence by definition be somewhat generic and public.
Yes, I am aware of the favorite grouping suggestion, it has been proposed several times. I could see myself implementing it but it's not terribly high on my list at the moment. I'd want to think about whether there is any overlap to be had between that and overhauling the tag system since both of these ideas have something to do with categorizing images. Regarding the tags specifically, I haven't made much progress on that front. It's the kind of large overhaul I would only get into once I was very sure that I had a great replacement, and I haven't been sold on anything that's been proposed nor ideas I've thought up myself.
With over a million pictures on the site, do you really stumble upon old pictures repeatedly that much? Actually, I am curious: what is your workflow for finding old images you like? Help me understand.
There is an improvement to the recommendations coming ideally in the next few months, so keep an eye out for that.
I posted a feature request related to organizing favourites into "Collections", but it didn't gain traction. Posting it here in case the mods missed it:
https://www.girlswithmuscle.com/forum/thread/...
It would be great! I also think it's good idea 🙂
Thank you for taking the time to look into this, Chainer.
Regarding the "exclude my favorites" proposal: I didn't think about performance and although I am a dev myself (surprise! ☺), I don't know enough about databases to be able to comment in retrospect on whether your findings are to have been expected.
Regarding the "dislike" proposal: I presume that as the dev of this site, you will have eyes on the big picture (how do features affect the system as a whole?) but not necessarily so much on the user experience (how your design decisions affect us).
(user experience... heh! 😒)
So I wanted to offer that alternative perspective. Since I find myself passing judgment on a never-ending stream of content, it would be helpful to have an unbiased way of tracking what ground I've already covered, as opposed to the great ocean of beauty that still lies undiscovered before me. (with apologies to Sir Isaac)
As things stand, I can see what I have judged favorably in the past. But I recognize that I will also be inefficiently and unknowingly repeatedly revisiting content that I have judged unfavorably in the past.
It would be a better 💉user💉 experience for me to be able to:
Focus on novel content - ideally being able to choose not to stumble across content that I've already decided I don't like.
Focus on building the collection of what I do like without rehashing it in the process - by excluding what I've already decided I do like.
Focus on appreciating my existing collection when I feel inclined to do so.
Currently, only the third option is fully available to me through the existing favorites functionality. And the first option is available in restricted, inflexible form through the "recommended for you" functionality.
Would it be possible to implement a way to allow for mass favorite deletions? I.E. so I could select and delete a large number of pics from my favorites. After some 13 years here, I have a ton of pics in my favs that I would love to remove, but doing it one at a time is just too time consuming.
You're right that implementing it is that simple, but this doesn't take performance into account. When you're trying to exclude a large number of images from the query, it can slow it down significanly.
I ran a test (in my dev environment) where I implemented this and tried to load a page of the image gallery using your account (filtering out your favorites), and I did not notice a significant slowdown. But then I tried the same thing using this guy's account, and it's been loading for about 5 minutes and it's still not done.
You have about 50,000 favorites and he has about 430,000. I don't know where the line is between "reasonable" and "completely disastrous". It seems it may not be a linear relationship.
What would be the point of a dislike button if it doesn't detract from the score?
If it's meant to hide those images from view for you, it runs into the same performance problem once you have used it a lot (on hundreds of thousands of images).
The above request is actually related to supporting users in maintaining their own personal view of liked vs disliked images&videos. Each image/video is actually in one of three states from a user's perspective: liked, disliked, or not yet seen.
So, a related request is: Is it possible to allow users to track this type of three-valued state per image/video?
I know there was a problem with "zero-bombing" with the old scoring system and hence it was removed.
So I am suggesting that likes continue to contribute to a publically accessible popularity score, but that dislikes are private and don't detract from it.
I suppose the +1 feature is a kind of third value of the state already. But it's the wrong kind for the purpose I'm expressing here. Why should my setting +1 on an image/video to track my private dislike of it contribute to its public popularity? That's perverse.
Kiki has 11 pages (11!) of very similar looking photos. Everything she posts doesn’t need to be uploaded. Feel free to save these to your hard drive if you’re afraid they might be deleted but the reality is she posts the same poses repeatedly. Her Instagram is open and public, also, so there’s no need to post every one of her posts.
Hey everyone,
I understand that the moderators are removing Kiki pics because they are too similar but it's getting ridiculous.
When i check most of my kiki notifications they are already deleted. NUISANCE!
The other day there was a stunning pic of her in red leggings, i faved it, next day it's gone.
Has she asked for this moderation? Why are her pics being removed when there are so many other girls with samey or low quality pics. Im for keeping more kiki pics, who's with me?
Some of us are inexplicably obsessed with building up our favorites collection.
Having a way to filter out our existing favorites from advanced search results streamlines this process.
It should be a straightforward matter of adding a negated WHERE clause to a SELECT statement somewhere...👓
It's a bit like a more general version of "recommended for you", possibly being equivalent to an advanced search in "recommended for you".
In fact, adding a checkbox for "recommended for you" into advanced search probably would achieve a similar outcome.
Maintainers: Please consider adding this enhancement to an already awesome site. Thanks
Excellent. This should make looking up porn stars easier. j/k
Currently the ratio between not morphed and morphed pictures isn't high enough to blacklist her entirely. There are morphed pictures and we are always thankful if users report them to us and point out where to look for, but as of now it's "not enough" so that we are only deleting the morphed ones and not everything.
the comment wasn't really relevant to the discussion, and we typically delete those. also the guy ragequit and deleted all his uploads, so he can't take any apparently, either.