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I've been around the industry for more than 25 years. During that time, I've never heard a single whisper about J.M. with respect to sexual impropriety. Was I with him 24 hours a day? No, but if there had been anything, it probably would have leaked out over that time. Are there other judges and "power" trainers who have been discussed in that context? Yes. But J.M.? Never. His reputation is as a loving husband and father. Despite what the public gossipmongers want to believe, not every guy is going to put his family relationships at risk for a rendezvous with a hot little fitness model.
Took me a minute. Something tells me I should trust this guy Tre.
Well that's interesting. I wonder if this is going to become more widespread, with everyone in the community taking sides.
I don't think people take kindly to threats of being blacklisted. If there is any perceived "wrongness" in all of this, it is the exploitation of a power differential. I don't blame Jamie Eason one bit for taking her shot now when she was told she could be ruined back in the day. The tables have turned. She's taking her own side.
There's sleaze in any industry driven by appearance and where only a lucky few get through the gatekeepers and make it to the top. I'm not surprised the article looks at an enterprise that peaked in the 90s... with modern social media, the gatekeepers and photographers have much less important roles in determining the "it" girls, and bodybuilders/fitness folks can find and communicate with each other much more efficiently to snitch on the sleazy creepers.
(That Tre has been around in the industry-- successfully-- for 25 years throughout this evolution says something about his overall character and approach, IMHO.)
Replying to @tre_sayer (quote is linked)
I'm very good (personally) at seeing all sides to any argument. There is legitimacy to what you've said. I do think that because emotions run high in cases like these people tend to rush to conclusions. I for one hope that there is more evidence to be found before it can be considered "damning." For example, I'd love to hear what Yarishna Ayala has to say about all of this (one of his [if not THE] highest profile clients).
Writer: "Hey, this guy's got one website advertising 20,000 pics and another advertising 10,000 - can we call that 30,000??"
Legal: "Yes!"
The thirty-thousand figure is literally a quotation: "... operated a network of paid soft-core pornography websites that at one point advertised 'over 30,000 images.'" I would not be shocked if the websites similarly self-advertised as being part of a "network." Your apologetics fails on their own terms. Each woman having their own "fan club" certainly sounds like part of a "network."
There are OTHERS who do operate "networks of soft-porn sites" related to the fitness biz, but J.M. is not and never was one of them. Of course, that's just my opinion, but J.M. never set out to be a site operator, let alone a "network of soft-porn sites" manager.
What, exactly, are you flailing at? When you say somebody "never set out" to do X, it suggests they ended up doing it against their intentions. They asked JM for comment multiple times (he reportedly declined). They included a quote from Timea Majorova saying she benefitted from signing with JM. They had a couple of people, including Gates, claiming that JM did not actually pressure women to go nude. They posted a picture of a contract. "Rag" publications don't do these things.
But "network of soft-porn sites" does get people wondering or talking and yet, how many FANS of GWM - specifically - who are over 40 years of age knew or were past members of either of the primary sites? I'm just asking.
I'm over the age of 40, and I was never a member of either of those sites.
I find it quiet ironic how some well known FBBs are sharing this story who also have no problem posting nude content on OnlyFans and their personal websites. Now am I saying the story is wrong? No. Am I making excuses for the accused? No. However, with 1 of the women being a proven liar and that this story is coming out before the Olympia being back in Vegas after a couple of years is really weird timing if you ask me. Also when you have FBBs who have no problem doing nude content posting this story feels like a form of white knighting to me and trying to look good on social media.
I find it quiet ironic how some well known FBBs are sharing this story who also have no problem posting nude content on OnlyFans and their personal websites. Now am I saying the story is wrong? No. Am I making excuses for the accused? No. However, with 1 of the women being a proven liar and that this story is coming out before the Olympia being back in Vegas after a couple of years is really weird timing if you ask me. Also when you have FBBs who have no problem doing nude content posting this story feels like a form of white knighting to me and trying to look good on social media.
Which fbbs have shared this story?
I find it quiet ironic how some well known FBBs are sharing this story who also have no problem posting nude content on OnlyFans and their personal websites. Now am I saying the story is wrong? No. Am I making excuses for the accused? No. However, with 1 of the women being a proven liar and that this story is coming out before the Olympia being back in Vegas after a couple of years is really weird timing if you ask me. Also when you have FBBs who have no problem doing nude content posting this story feels like a form of white knighting to me and trying to look good on social media.
Honestly. Why is so hard to understand that there's a difference between (1) creating your own nude content on your own terms and (2) being coerced into doing nude content for someone else in exchange for a shot at a legitimate athletic award?
I find it quiet ironic how some well known FBBs are sharing this story who also have no problem posting nude content on OnlyFans and their personal websites. Now am I saying the story is wrong? No. Am I making excuses for the accused? No. However, with 1 of the women being a proven liar and that this story is coming out before the Olympia being back in Vegas after a couple of years is really weird timing if you ask me. Also when you have FBBs who have no problem doing nude content posting this story feels like a form of white knighting to me and trying to look good on social media.
i haven't seen any shares of this but i don't think there's irony.
If they have voluntarily decided to undress without coercion for OF or personal websites that is their business. Getting pressured (however which way) to do it is different.
Likely they are put on the spot and it's tough to say no, even if there aren't any industry politics at stake.
Which fbbs have shared this story?
Monica Martin did on her IG stories. So it will be deleted soon.
Honestly. Why is so hard to understand that there's a difference between (1) creating your own nude content on your own terms and (2) being coerced into doing nude content for someone else in exchange for a shot at a legitimate athletic award?
I get what you're saying but if you read that I'm not making excuses for the accused then you'll see I'm not saying it did happen.
However, if you have someone like Monica Martin sharing this story on their Instagram stories so it gets deleted in 24hrs when she has tons of nude content on the web then I find it weird. Plus if she knew this stuff was going on and didn't say anything for a decade than this is why questions arise. Also Monica hasn't competed in almost a decade so why wait till now to come out and comment on this? She had nothing to lose from saying something at all. And if the accused are proven to have done said acts then they should be locked up no question. Again waiting over a decade to say something when these acts happened is why people question the story.
not to be, uh, judgemental, but i wonder how many women that will support this are ones that never reached the top of the mountain, or had competetive but only ok physiques?
I know there has been competition shenanigans over the years but what do people want? speedy pro status to the top of the comp food chain? the history of the other woman mentioned is pretty fast--national to pro level in under two years?
it's hard to go pro quickly and usually they are incredibly impressive. and even then a lot of pros spend time nickel and diming their way to points to go to the O because there is always someone better than them
of course Goob is on this (on his backup since i guess steph is having mass reports on his regular):
Part 1: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CkJS_8XDCZi/?u...
Part 2: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CkJaDTVpW6M/?u...
The posts make some of the same claims. But i would look in the comments where a few names have spoken including Jamie Pinder.
Henderson's corruption sort of reminds me of anti-vaccine folks in Greece. They'd pay a morally compromised doctor on the DL for a fake vaccine (they call it a "water" vaccine). The doctors take the cash and then -- you guessed it -- jab them with the real vaccine. Henderson poses for these pictures, but then doesn't get her pro card (maybe because she didn't deserve it). In the article, Gates says she never did played along, yet finished at the top. Even if the contest is purely meritocratic/apolitical (how many people would say that??) there can still be corruption. There's an undisguised conflict of interest. Is it possible for a judge to fairly preside over a trial where his daughter was the victim? It's possible, but even the appearance of a conflict of interest means he's removed from the case.
Some added background: It's being claimed that this story is ginned up by Wayne DeMilia for personal and financial reasons:
I see more athletes agreeing with Goob. Plus does anyone find it weird that WaPo turned OFF the comments on their video? They probably didn't want people pointing out they have a convicted felon as their star witness.
really weird that they would have the two of them. Is there not a bigger name willing to step forward or someone that was genuinely more competitive?
i'm looking at Mandy now and she's just ok? She finished 16th in an open this year and last year and while she looks good I wouldn't say there's anything to put her over the top in bikini. Gates looked ok when she won the Olympia in '08 but it's INCREDIBLY different from now. Her legs would get her nowhere in the current climate.
INteresting read published same day although it's more just why they published the other one. One note that did stick out was about Arnold boosting the classic physique prize money at the Arnold Classic to get competitors to move away from the freak roid sizes.
Of course, as we know, Arnold also canceled women's bodybuilding and physique for the same reasons. From the outside it doesn't look good that they're keeping (and prob pushing) bikini, the most sexualized of the divisoins, and also wellness which is booming.
Also find it amazing that no one is mentioning that Wayne DeMila use to run the origination than was fired and now works for the competition. If Wayne knew this stuff was going on where are the journalists going to him and asking why he stayed silent?
Also why is no one is looking at this as a hit job by a rival business who employs their former boss? Again very interesting.
I just watched the Trigili video and yeah it does seem that way. IF he was just hired to run the IFBB Elite Pro league in the US why not drag out all the skeletons in your competition.
However
This dude ran the IFBB for years and a lot of this was going on under his watch. Best case the IFBB spirals but if that doesn't happen does he really think bringing all this to light when he was a key player until very recently is going to get people to jump ship?