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Do sites like this skew our perspectives on what makes a woman "truly" muscular?

Feb 16, 2022 - permalink

This site features the upper tier of muscular women, and it has a voting system that insures that the most muscular, lean and overall "aesthetic" women get the most exposure. The cool thing about sites like this is that is allows us to look at images of women that are otherwise rare to find in person, but I do wonder if it leads to a kind of confirmation bias about what is considered "muscular" when looking at a woman's physique.

Being involved in strength sports has given me exposure to lots of fit people in real life, and while I have met women who no doubt would be muscular enough to be featured here, it's far more common for me to see women who, while being very fit and muscular compared to average standards, would probably not have the musculature "required" to be even marginally popular on the site. For example, I thought of this thread where a guy posted a picture of someone doing a most muscular pose and said "while she isn't jacked, I love the pose!" The thing, though, is that the woman WAS muscular, though she definitely didn't compare to the majority of the women on the site. It makes me wonder how many times someone who browses this forum legitimately saw a woman who would be considered muscular by the vast majority of standards, but didn't consider them as such, or maybe even didn't believe that they even do strength training, simply because they're not "GWM fit."

And I think it's kind of a shame because while women who lift are still the minority, there are a lot more women engaged in strength training than there ever has been. Also, I think this also skews some people's perception on what can be achieved naturally (without PEDs,) but that debate has been done to death.

What are your thoughts. Do you think sites like this lead to a kind of confirmation bias?

Feb 16, 2022 - permalink

In some ways, sites like this does spoil us on what we deem as muscular. My first wife Sheryl, was truly muscular and would have been popular on this site. However the other women, that I shared relationships with, while definitely having muscle, wouldn't be that popular. I think most of it has to do with definition. They had nice hard muscles, in their arms but they weren't dieted down, so it wasn't as visible.

Feb 16, 2022 - permalink

Course it does. Instagram does a similar thing. Ive met some people recently who have a completely warped idea of what is possible for a women/man. And id contribute it to social media where you get concentrations of the absolute top tier perfect lighting photos of people almost always on roids. Its sad cause they seem to think almost everyone in local gyms "isnt trying" or isn't all that great. Whereas really local gyms usual represent...actual reality haha

Feb 16, 2022 - permalink

I Have never seen muscular women in real life the strongest looking women i Have seen in real life was a Jogger with nice abs a few life guards with abs when i was 13 And i Have a Věry vauge memory of a female security Guard with nice biceps būt i am not sure if that was real because i was 5 when i saw her i dont really even know how i would react to seeing a fbb in real life they Are Věry řare for sure.

also i would like to add some women dont look Věry muscular but Are Věry strong or dangerous like female Martial artists i remember meeting a woman WHO could break Bricks with her Báře hands but She was not muscular i was in Awe.

Feb 17, 2022 - permalink

For those for whom this is real life, yes.

For most people, no - lived experience and real-life observations confirm what they want to believe.

Of course, if they've chosen to be triggered by natural-not-natural expectations, demands, and fantasies, there's nothing that can be done for them.

Feb 17, 2022 - permalink

I think 99% of site visitors understand that this is a select selection, not an average type. Perhaps the number of photos and videos can create the illusion that you can meet such girls just walking down the street. But to destroy this fantasy, it is enough to leave the house once.

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Feb 17, 2022 - edited Feb 17, 2022 - permalink

I think most people mill about in society enough to know that these hyper-muscular females aren't to be confused with what is considered a typical muscular woman. And most know that most women on this site use some form of chemical enhancement. So, no, I don't think this site would engender a confirmation bias as to what's muscular except for a very inexperienced person.

Feb 17, 2022 - permalink

I wish I shared your optimism, lastbruja. But a lot of our fellow denizens have repeatedly demonstrated that they don't have a realistic concept of what women actually look like.

Look no further than forum classics such as "Do you guys think Caitlin Hill is natural??", which opens with a picture of someone who's so obviously on steroids that it could go in the dictionary, or "FBB with natural big breasts", which consists almost entirely of pictures of FBBs with big implants.

It's hard to say how much of this is due to lack of experience/grounding, and not simply wanting to play out the fantasy. After all, it's exciting to think that you might be able to encourage your girlfriend to lift a couple weights and have her end up like Natalia Trukhina. The reality of that being less likely than winning the lottery is incredibly boring by comparison.

Feb 17, 2022 - permalink

I have always been surprised by this strange, stubborn desire to deny the use of pharmacology in part of the fans of muscular girls. Even more striking is the hypocrisy of the IFBB with their tales of natural bodybuilding. It's funny that it was Natalya who always ridiculed the very idea that her muscles were possible without drugs, and openly said what she uses and in what dosages.

Feb 17, 2022 - edited Feb 17, 2022 - permalink

We are exposed to more of the extremes of what is possible. It is up to us to use reason to scale our observations to more realistic expectation.

The Internet gives us access to a larger set. In that set, we are the more likely to find extremes. That's a mathematical and statistical principle.

I personally like the extremes, but I also recognize: they are extremes.

Feb 18, 2022 - permalink

Yes. If this helps to remind anybody who may be delusional, then good. Otherwise I don’t know that there’s much to discuss.

Feb 19, 2022 - permalink

Great question. If we're being honest - yes....

The brain can be "rewired" over time, and what you "feast" on has an effect on sub-conscious levels. Soft porn can be as addicting and dangerous as hard core porn. Don't fool yourself, this is definitely soft porn.

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Feb 23, 2022 - permalink

Absolutely. But I think it only happens here, and by "here" I mean online. If any - or most - of us saw a woman that is considered "small" by many in sites like these, in real life, he would surely notice her and be very aware of her shape.

We get...desensitized by things onscreen, like violence, beauty...and yeah, all things concerning general appearance too.

Feb 23, 2022 - permalink

Yes and no. The examples here are extreme, but I honestly believe muscular women look far better in real life. Pictures/video just don’t do them justice. I have met plenty of women who looked amazing in real life and yet whose pictures would never be good enough here.

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Feb 23, 2022 - permalink

For the longest I never met a muscular woman--so basically from 12 to almost 23 my only kind of "exposure" was WPW, Herbiceps, and whatever I could find on the internet (which included this sites predecessor in spirit, powergirls). I would say that definitely skewed my perspective. Then I learned more about the women themselves, and the health issues.

i've told the story about getting to shoot with my friend more than a few times on here. I have terabytes of female muscle stuff. i haven't looked at most of it in ages. i revisit those photos more often than anything else and she's not nearly as muscular as most of what i've seen and looked at in the past.

Feb 23, 2022 - edited Feb 23, 2022 - permalink

Actually yes, I remember back in 2015 I used to think Angela Radu was really built, when I saw a picture of her again a year ago or so, I couldn't believe I used to be blown away by her. I mean, she had good definition, but she was not buff by any means.

Feb 23, 2022 - permalink

No.

Feb 23, 2022 - permalink

l love huge girls, really muscular girls, like enormous!

Feb 23, 2022 - permalink

Definitely for me

I remember when I first saw the most muscular girl I have ever met.

At a glance I thought she looked 'athletic' due to hours of staring at girls like natalia trunkina

Actually she is a big strong heavy girl but I only recognised this when I got close and compared my body with hers

5 years before I would have seen her as big and awesome from the first glance

Feb 23, 2022 - permalink

O absolutely. When people walk by my wife if she's wearing a tank top or something (well at least non-athletic people) they tend to do double takes or stare a little because she's an athlete with bigger than average traps and biceps and triceps, not to mention bodybuilder type monster calves and muscular quads. She's an athlete though, not huge and really muscular. So I always think about how she'd look if she got really muscular and got into bodybuilding. But people already look at her muscles. I forget in just everyday life she's definitely more muscular than the average woman.

Feb 23, 2022 - permalink

For me it skewed the perspective.

Before gwm I was hyped for fitness athletes. But now I'm not hyped for anything below figure level.

Feb 23, 2022 - permalink

If I see a woman with abs in real life I get instantly attracted. If I saw the same girl on this site, I would take her as dime a dozen and ignore her. I treat this site more of a fantasy.

Feb 23, 2022 - permalink

I'll say this. 20 years ago I barely ever saw any women with muscle. Now they seem to be much more frequent out in public but rarely any nationally ranked bodybuilders. So yes this sight does skew our reality of what a muscular woman is.

Feb 23, 2022 - edited Feb 23, 2022 - permalink

It’s definitely warped my view. After years of watching the really big women like Helle and Alina, I see bikini and wellness girls as small even though they have exponentially more muscle than me. It then extends into when I see girls on Bumble or Hinge who describe themselves as gym rats but aren’t ripped. I don’t doubt that they work out, I’ve just been accustomed to visible cuts. I am ashamed of myself about it to be honest.

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