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Apr 01, 2024 - permalink

So i wanted to ask this for a while but i don't know were. if i asked on reddit i would probably get mass downvoted and banned .but basically i want to know how much the average adult in 1990 or earlier knew about fetishes and other weird things that they are not personally into. like for example furries femdom fat vore pretty much anything. these days i know about these things because i run into them online on accident and me and my friends sometimes make jokes about them .while i am old enough to remember a time before the internet was a big deal by the time i hit puberty i was using it. everything seemed very pure and innocent back then but i know female muscle content existed before the internet.

Apr 01, 2024 - permalink

For me it was muscle women and all u had in the early 90s was magazine’s. Buy them that’s all. Maybe lucky u find a piece on one girl or two and that’s all for a $5.95 magazine. The net provided more around 1998 with wpw and muscle central plus muscleville. Reg bradford comes to mind also. But it feels like a 100 years to me.

Apr 01, 2024 - permalink

For me it was muscle women and all u had in the early 90s was magazine’s. Buy them that’s all. Maybe lucky u find a piece on one girl or two and that’s all for a $5.95 magazine. The net provided more around 1998 with wpw and muscle central plus muscleville. Reg bradford comes to mind also. But it feels like a 100 years to me.

Indeed but did you know other fetishes existed even if you thought they were gross. or did you assume people were only into regular women and muscle

Apr 01, 2024 - permalink

I didn’t know anything about muscle fetishes before 1990. In those days, my main exposure to muscular women was Women’s Physique World magazine, the original American Gladiators TV series, the documentary Pumping Iron:The Women, and the very rare glimpse of female muscle on a commercial, TV show, or movie (like Jenette Goldstein in Aliens).

Apr 03, 2024 - permalink

It is difficult to determine the precise knowledge or awareness that the average adult in 1990 or earlier had about specific fetishes or unconventional interests, as societal attitudes and access to information varied greatly during that time. The internet has undoubtedly played a significant role in facilitating the spread of information and exposure to diverse interests, including fetishes.

Apr 03, 2024 - permalink

Before the internet, to create or find or share anything for/to a small audience was not economically easy. Before the internet, the effort needed to deliberately look for odd things that people are into... well, it was too much work for the small amount of entertainment.

For your question, people before 1990 knew about the things they put effort into learning about. Adults knew that fetishes existed but did not devote days/weeks to find out about things they weren't personally interested in. Now, it's nearly a trivial task to discover odd things other people like. Those who want to know about odd things, do. Those who don't want to know, still don't.

Apr 03, 2024 - permalink

In the 80’s i remember GLOW.. gorgeous ladies of wrestling. I would stay up late to watch it. Id have to go back and see how muscular they were now. Not sure

Apr 03, 2024 - permalink

For me it was muscle women and all u had in the early 90s was magazine’s. Buy them that’s all. Maybe lucky u find a piece on one girl or two and that’s all for a $5.95 magazine. The net provided more around 1998 with wpw and muscle central plus muscleville. Reg bradford comes to mind also. But it feels like a 100 years to me.

Getting WPW VHS videos in the mail does seem like 100 years ago.

cgsweat
Apr 03, 2024 - permalink

but basically i want to know how much the average adult in 1990 or earlier knew about fetishes and other weird things that they are not personally into.

The "average" adult likely wasn't aware of most fetishes, but I'm sure there were many who kept in the know. Pre-internet, these things were discovered by word of mouth or literature (books, magazines, newspapers, etc.), but it was certainly much more taboo to bring these things up openly. Basically once the Internet became more accessible and porn became more commonplace, it just kind of turned mainstream what was already an underground thing.

An example would be that lots of guys had a stash of Playboy mags (or Hustler, or w/e) kept somewhere out of sight. Everyone knows the joke about subscribing to Playboy for the articles, but some guys actually did read them.

I'm 39 so all of that is a little before my time, but I'm going mostly by what I remember of the "dad generation" of that time.

Apr 07, 2024 - permalink

Perhaps dating myself, but I do recall mags like Sports Review Wrestling and various pro-wrestling mags from mid-late 1970s. The pro-mags occasionally had fetish type articles. Of course, the classifieds also were interesting. The 80s saw the beginning of G.R. doing his thing in Europe first with the German Mat Club and eventually DWW. I think Academy Productions and WPW both began in the '80s

Jun 07, 2024 - permalink

Getting VHS videos in the mail does seem like 100 years ago.

Crazy thing about those VHS classics.. In 1988, you were paying $45 for a single hard-copy video.. which would basically be equal to $120 in 2024 terms. It wasn't a cheap hobby, but definitely worth it.

As far as the original post.. fetishes were definitely more obscure before the 'web. Fetishes were often confined to specific magazines.. so if you weren't shopping in an adult store, you weren't seeing this stuff. It was rare to stumble upon specific fetishes. From time to time, an 80s or early 90s movie would reference unusual forms of sex, S&M, etc. But the internet really blew the lid off of quarantined fetishes..

Jun 07, 2024 - edited Jun 07, 2024 - permalink

I did not think of it as a fetish, necessarily. I was simply into muscular women, and there weren't many around. I was totally unaware of other fetishes you refer to, and I am aware of them today. I think the internet has made it so easy for people who are into totally weird stuff to communicate with others who have the same predilections. It may be less than 1% of the population, but if you have three million Americans interested in fat people or big bellies, or people who can eat a lot, or any of the other ones, it seems like a substantial number. Add all the rest of the internet surfing world, and you have a really large number.

Standard porn was always available, because there were strip clubs and dance halls even back in the late 1800s. The circus and carnival "midway" was a place where a person could see the unusual, such as strong women etc., but those things and snippets of information you could get from Guinness Book etc., only piqued people's interest and made them aware that they may have had a fetish.

For example, at one point in the 1960s I read the official record for one handed pull ups was something like twelve, but that there were multiple reports of a circus trapeze artist name Lillian Lietzel who bet someone she could beat the record, and then proceeded to do something like 27 and then after a short rest jumped to the bar and did over 20 with her left hand.

https://www.google.com/imgres?q=lillian%20lei...

I remember something moved in my loins when I read that. I found my interest piqued every time I read a story about a woman performing a feat of strength, especially if she outperformed the men involved. There was a story in an issue of Playboy in the late seventies about a girl winning an impromptu arm wrestling contest in a bar. I reread that article and let my imagination run. In my first year after college, Rachel McLeish won the first televised bodybuilding contest. It was nothing compared to the contests of today, but it had its impact on me.

Later, because of exposure to them, I realized that I was drawn to other fetishes, though never in quite the same way as my attraction to muscular and strong women. Perhaps there is some sort of gene that leads some folks toward a propensity to be fascinated by certain fetishes.

fp909
Jun 07, 2024 - permalink

This is a sore spot for me since my parents marriage ended, in part, due to my dad’s porn use, maybe addiction. But he probably went out and got DVDs in the mid aughts and who knows what before. Idk if it was a long time thing or every once in a while (I never found anything when I was a kid, but did when I was college age).

Some of us are just old enough to remember places with back rooms that you had to be 18+ to get into (supposedly). I do remember a few dedicated XXX shops growing up. But I would be surprised if they carried any kind of Wpw content from the time.

Jun 07, 2024 - permalink

This is a sore spot for me since my parents marriage ended, in part, due to my dad’s porn use, maybe addiction. But he probably went out and got DVDs in the mid aughts and who knows what before. Idk if it was a long time thing or every once in a while (I never found anything when I was a kid, but did when I was college age).

Some of us are just old enough to remember places with back rooms that you had to be 18+ to get into (supposedly). I do remember a few dedicated XXX shops growing up. But I would be surprised if they carried any kind of Wpw content from the time.

I still remember some of the porn shops and adult sections in videos rental shops but by the time I could enter them they were gone. I think there still was one left when that got shut down when I was 19. but I had no interest since I had good internet and a laptop at home I remember a few years earlier being hyped to enter the place one day since I had no internet and never saw nudity and I believed a lot of bullshit about sex. but it looked dull and dated to my 18 year old self. the women were hyper skinny and submissive and I didn't want to carry dvd's home since I still lived with my parents and I didn't even have my own bedroom.

Jun 07, 2024 - permalink

I like the question. I think it mischaracterizes the nature of a fetish to view it as if they were something people discover through internet exposure. The primary means by which I learned of my "fetish" for strong or muscular women was by my own libidinal response to seeing them, whether in person (a rarity) or on magazine racks or television. I'd assume that it is the same for people concerning any fetish- they have a libidinal response to an image or scenario or item and then they pursue it and uncover the relevant community. I think it is a kind of reversal of inputs from the internet age that, when we pursue content for our own fetish, we reveal a basket of other fetishes that are peripheral. I ignore them on the internet as I ignored them in the adult magazine shops in the 90s. I avoided such shops because the kind of fetish stuff didn't appeal to me in the way WPW did. The same applies to my view of the world of fetish on the internet now.

Jun 07, 2024 - permalink

When I was a teenager there were shows on television about love and sex. The most famous one had a queer person as host. They invited differnt guests to talk about all kinds of fetishes, sex and everything that has to do with it. I felt better educated about fetishes as my kids today on the internet. Getting it explained with examples is much better than just stumbling on some "material" without knowing what it is about. The message was "No matter who you love or how you love - just love - it is wonderful".

Its a pity - I could not find any educational shows at this quality level anymore.

I also learned alot from a good reality-TV show about a brothel in which they showed the every day work of the prostitutes. Having different rooms for all kinds of fetishes and having the prostitutes talk about their customers.

What really opened my eyes was my first sex shop visit with my girlfriend when I was about 16 yo. (It is quite common in the area I live when going out to visit a sex shop - imagine a large road with clubs, discos, strip clubs, restaurants, bars, brothels hookers and sex shops) There were tons of special equipment where the usage is unclear ;)

One our in the basement of boutuque bizarre having conersations with the well educated employees and you know more than doing weeks of research on the internet - trust me :)

I know some cultures are not as open minded, but here the girls go

Jun 08, 2024 - permalink

Some of us are just old enough to remember places with back rooms that you had to be 18+ to get into (supposedly). I do remember a few dedicated XXX shops growing up. But I would be surprised if they carried any kind of Wpw content from the time.

Yup.. the high tech security system protecting those adult backrooms.. was usually just a curtain (laughter). I agree, muscle videos usually didn't show up in those old video store backrooms. But there was one, down in Santa Monica if I remember right.. who did have a whole section of mixed wrestling & female bodybuilding videos. They even advertised (as much) in some of the muscle magazines. But I don't remember what it was called.

Jun 08, 2024 - permalink

Yup.. the high tech security system protecting those adult backrooms.. was usually just a curtain (laughter). I agree, muscle videos usually didn't show up in those old video store backrooms. But there was one, down in Santa Monica if I remember right.. who did have a whole section of mixed wrestling & female bodybuilding videos. They even advertised (as much) in some of the muscle magazines. But I don't remember what it was called.

FAMOUS SPORTS VIDEOS!!

I only know that because I was aware of the one in New York City, and when I first moved to LA, I was driving through Santa Monica and saw signage for it, although the store had long closed. Both were a bit before my time, but I'm super fascinated by the earlier world of muscle fetish stuff.

Jun 08, 2024 - permalink

In major cities, yes. The biggest change brought on by the internet has been how much people who are way out in the country are aware of these kinds of things.

Jun 08, 2024 - permalink

FAMOUS SPORTS VIDEOS!!

I only know that because I was aware of the one in New York City, and when I first moved to LA, I was driving through Santa Monica and saw signage for it, although the store had long closed. Both were a bit before my time, but I'm super fascinated by the earlier world of muscle fetish stuff.

Thanks, that sounds right.. I used to go by the one in Santa Monica back in the day.

Jun 08, 2024 - permalink

I never knew anyone but me had this fetish, until (he was like a camp counselor) my leader said he loved women bodybuilders when we were watching American Muscle Magazine on TV. I was delighted to know that I was not the only one who liked muscular women.

And I also have been to Famous Sports videos - the one in New York City and one in California.... ah, the lengths I would go to in those days....

Thanks for the memories :)

Jun 09, 2024 - permalink

My earliest fetish exposure - apart from wrestling in the yard with the girls - was a periodical for guys who were into women in pantyhose. I did not like the images. To this day, I still mostly hate stockings, though they can look good on some women.

I had light, accidental exposure to Bettie Page and other models of her era in BDSM scenes. I think that early imprinting was important, because I remember being pleasantly curious.

I think I learned about foot fetishists next - and by then, I kinda had an idea about what "kink" meant, but I couldn't tell you my age. I was NOT into feet, because it triggered immediate visions of the barefoot girls in my neighborhood who all had AWFUL feet. Dirty neighborhood girl feet were so traumatizing that I was almost 40 before I became a foot guy.

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