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May 27, 2024 - permalink

It has everything.

So blueglow thinks he's better than everyone else by cooking up an imaginary user of a fetish site that respects the models like they were his family members. Lest he get punched by their boyfriends. The more sanctimoniously nice you are, the better person you are.

Then I think I am better than everyone else by trying to explain why my take is the most realistic of all. The more realistic you are, the more you apply your intellect to the problem, the better person you are. I don't really think this way, but for the purpose of this argument let's suppose I do.

Then you think you're better than everyone else. By calling everyone names. So the more frustrated, disgusted and condescending you are, the better person you are.

Rambling textbook-length posts by Zarklephaser.

I could just state my opinion and think everyone will bow down because I said it. Or I could run around voting for other people's opinions. As if that mattered either. Or I can offer my reasons for why I think I'm right and the other person is wrong. I think that's the fairest way to see who knows what he's talking about. But there are some who clearly think it's a disgusting way to drown and suffocate the other person's opinion, as if mine was anything more than that.

Hell there's even transphobia and bigotry.

I still don't believe transphobia is a valid concept or a real phenomenon. It's like I started seeing zarklephobia in your messages. "You're clearly afraid of me. My way with words makes your head spin. I can clearly see the weak anger and despair it causes in you to be proven so totally wrong. I'd pity you, but I can't help you, since your own views have made you unfit for life and ensured your self-destruction. Now run and don't ever look back. That's the only way you can be safe from me and from the zarklephobia of your diseased mind." I think that captures the attitude of accusing someone of phobia pretty well.

It's a manipulation tactic and a good example of reverse communication, telling the listener what he supposedly feels without ever explaining why he should or why he would. Because it's a rhetorical weapon and not a thing in reality, bigotry and transphobia are false accusations over 99 % of the time. Unproven and incapable of proof, so maybe that's why nobody ever tries to give any evidence either. It's like preemptively calling everyone a sick, disgusting bastard, as in you can't call me because I already called you.

Whenever anyone asks WHY DON'T MORE WOMEN WANT TO TALK ON THE FORUM?!?

I haven't seen anyone ask, because everyone probably knows the women have better things to do. This is a digital man cave. There is no way to turn this into anything else without destroying it totally. The women who come here either don't mind the man cave atmosphere or may have some reason for tolerating it. Of course it may come as a nasty surprise for someone now and then, but I really don't believe you can help it.

Real women are out of the question. The only thing this clamor applies to is trans individuals. I've never seen such a blatant and deluded bait and switch. Two separate issues and fixing either one of them is both unnecessary and impossible.

I'm enjoying reading this thread every time there's an update.

I enjoy reading stuff half the time, because sometimes there's something new to learn. Or there's some interesting issue I can think through with moderate effort and maybe write about. But what separates us is that I've never found disgust or disdain enjoyable.

Unless that was an attempt at sarcasm and you're really saddened by the things you mentioned. Believe it or not, I don't feel devoted enough to this to feel sad about anything. You may receive flak sometimes and then life goes on.

May 28, 2024 - permalink

^^ I'm not reading all that, but I'll respond to this bit with a link

*"Real women are out of the question." *

May I present this: https://www.reddit.com/r/bodybuilding/

Turns out that there's women on there. Plenty of them. Admittedly bodybuilding is a majority male pursuit and Reddit is a majority male site, but women enjoy posting and interacting on there because the mods delete dumb and ignorant things when they get posted.

You're not wrong that this is a digital man cave though. I guess that it's just sad that "Girls With Muscle" is a site where... girls with muscle... overwhelmingly do not want to participate.

Doesn't have to be that way. Would be awesome if it wasn't. It's odd to me how everyone just accepts this as fact. As if women don't use the internet and female bodybuilders wouldn't be interested in a site that caters to female bodyubuilding.

May 28, 2024 - permalink

Doesn't have to be that way. Would be awesome if it wasn't. It's odd to me how everyone just accepts this as fact.

I tried to think deeply what would need to change. I imagined that the moderators would begin excising all lewd, fetishizing and objectifying content, including comments, messages and entire discussions. Maybe the women would come eventually, but majority of the non-bodybuilding male userbase would be gone by then. Most of the comments, messages, stories and image themes with them. Many would rebel against the restrictions. A few would now and then unwittingly post something lewd or objectifying and cause a scandal.

Sex, sexuality, sensuality and fantasies. If you got rid of all of those, this would be a safe meeting place for female bodybuilders. But a site or a subreddit for bodybuilders and one for their anonymous admirers are necessarily two different things.

It's like there was a forum for recreational drug users that had some doctors and pharmacists participating. Then someone complained that you're driving out all the doctors and pharmacists with your stories of tripping out of your mind or doing dumb and dangerous stuff, so I wish this site was only or primarily for doctors and pharmacists. It's not impossible to run a site purely for doctors and pharmacists or even bodybuilders, but it's impossible to do it while retaining the former, wider or original purpose of catering to recreational users.

By turning an underground theater into a Hollywood lounge you lose the underground theater.

It's not the dumb expressions of sensuality that keep the women out, exemplified by the "boing" and "goddess" exclamations. It's the very aspect of sensuality itself. I think it was already established that it never was the negativity, whatever anyone thinks it means.

This is partly a flashback to the discussions about the comment filter, where the dumbest and most simplistic lewd commenters kept defending themselves by going on and on about "hostile" comments and how they're just "complimenting" the women, while everyone kept telling them they are the problem and hostile comments are already being taken care of. What probably confused them to no end was that they got the basic idea right, that this is a site for anonymous admirers, but were too lazy or stupid to express it properly.

May 28, 2024 - permalink

With comments like

Rambling textbook-length posts by Zarklephaser.

It's clear that it's you who is doing the trolling here. As a bonus, you even resort to the usual reddit-tier argument of "your proper argument/post is too long!! I won't be responding to actual effort!!" You've also brought up transsexuals several times across the forums, for no other reason than to seemingly start flamewars. In short: go troll somewhere else.

May 28, 2024 - permalink

^ my dude…

1) Zarklephaser is absolutely infamous for his enormously long worded responses . This isn’t my solo hot take. But maybe you’re new here.

2) I didn’t bring up trans people. I never mentioned them at all when starting this thread. Didn’t stop others from bringing it up.

Unlike other people on here, I’m not obsessed with trans folks. IDK why certain dudes have to bring them up constantly. I’m just pointing out that it happened.

3) suggesting a ban on negative comments isn’t trolling. It’s a moderation choice. Plenty of spots on Reddit and IG do exactly this.

4) it was an idea. I get that people don’t like it. I get that it won’t happen.

In a perfect world I’d enjoy this site and enjoy threads that are visited by beautiful athletic women who feel comfortable here. This was a thought on how to help get there

But instead, I guess we can roll with no women at all and guys taking pot shots at chicks who don’t look how they want them to look, and someone bitching about trans people even when they’re not being discussed.

Cool, I guess.

May 28, 2024 - permalink

Whenever anyone asks WHY DON'T MORE WOMEN WANT TO TALK ON THE FORUM?!? I'll just post a link to this discussion as Exhibit A.

This.

Generally speaking, it is Gresham‘s Law at work; just substitute postings for currency.

May 28, 2024 - permalink

This.

Generally speaking, it is Gresham‘s Law at work; just substitute postings for currency.

The greatest irony that I see here is that for as adored muscular women are, there is also quite a bit of distain towards them.

fp909
May 28, 2024 - permalink

^^ I'm not reading all that, but I'll respond to this bit with a link

*"Real women are out of the question." *

May I present this: https://www.reddit.com/r/bodybuilding/

Turns out that there's women on there. Plenty of them. Admittedly bodybuilding is a majority male pursuit and Reddit is a majority male site, but women enjoy posting and interacting on there because the mods delete dumb and ignorant things when they get posted.

You're not wrong that this is a digital man cave though. I guess that it's just sad that "Girls With Muscle" is a site where... girls with muscle... overwhelmingly do not want to participate.

Doesn't have to be that way. Would be awesome if it wasn't. It's odd to me how everyone just accepts this as fact. As if women don't use the internet and female bodybuilders wouldn't be interested in a site that caters to female bodyubuilding.

I’ll be honest I don’t think half the the self posts of women are actually the women themselves.

I reported a 2 day old account who posted about their recent show and I found the woman on IG who said she had never posted that on Reddit and it was a fake document. My original report got me a ban which means to me there is a mod there pretending to be these women for some reason. They always have brand new accounts, respond to a handful of comments and never post again. And the comments there are relatively Tame

May 29, 2024 - edited May 29, 2024 - permalink

(...)there is a mod there pretending to be these women for some reason.

Oh, I can think of a few reasons - all of them very alike. XD It's Reddit, after all.

But there's the fact people use Reddit for many things, and the "Bodybuilfding" subreddit may be one of their various stops when they enter the site. Perhaps the (actual) women who post there do it after browsig other stuff. When you enter GWM, it's for one subject and one subject only.

fp909
May 29, 2024 - permalink

Oh, I can think of a few reasons - all of them very alike. XD It's Reddit, after all.

But there's the fact people use Reddit for many things, and the "Bodybuilfding" subreddit may be one of their various stops when they enter the site. Perhaps the (actual) women who post there do it after browsig other stuff. When you enter GWM, it's for one subject and one subject only.

except for the dozens of guys that have come through her pretending to be a woman or a specific woman to get their rocks off in role play

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