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Muscles_Toez is on the money.
Being a bodybuilder is expensive. Hair, makeup, tan, posing, training, coaches, clothing and competition suits, regular maintenance. Not to mention the drugs. There are a lot of women, public and under the radar, that provide sessions. Pay to play is huge in the bodybuilding world. No way one person can afford all of it, unless they have an extensive network, make a good salary, or have providers that can take care of them.
Sessions themselves can lead to having a relationship. Friends with benefits if you will. If you want a romantic relationship, I can't see it.
Most guys that want a bodybuilding woman want the physical and sexual desire fulfilled. Dating these women would seem like a chore. I think being close to a few women who can provide that release is the best.
There's a reason so many bodybuilders spend time in Dubai. I assure you that they're not on vacation.
> > Thats my problem, Im fucked. > > I dont find ordinary women attractive at all, just muscular ones
You could try to get a personality maybe
That also helps. Make her laugh. This feels like you're having problems with relationships in general, not just having a "girl with muscles"
I dont care about regular women at all so dont care or want a relationship with them.
If I could actually talk to a muscular women Im sure we would get along great. Finding them is the issue
I’m not rich but not broke either. Not muscular but not out of shape either. I will say charming as fuck though. Girlfriend extremely muscular. 😁
Proof? i doubt it
Couple thoughts:
1) It is an extremely common practice for muscular females, especially the larger ones, to offer services. You don't hear about it. They don't advertise on "Sessiongirls." Because they don't have to.
I'm dead serious. The women you see who publicly offer sessions have to put up with thousands of broke idiots from all over the world stringing them along for free messaging with zero intent of spending any money.
The real pros find clients through private referrals and word of mouth. LOL they're not coming on here or shilling on instgram. They don't have to. Just understand that there is a large cohort of horny men across the globe to whom money is not an object and they will easily pay $1k or more for an hour with one of the most muscular women on Earth.
And the market is even bigger for muscular men. It's funny to watch young straight guys idolizing macho-presenting professional male BB's without ever appreciating how much gay for pay work so many of them do. LOL sure bro, they drive that Lambo Urus becuase the Redcon1 preworkout sponsorship is really paying off. Not because they get 20k a night for posing and giving BJ's in Dubai. Totally the case.
2) Correct, sessions are not a relationship. They fulfill a physical desire for me and a financial desire for her.
Honestly, I doubt that many of you guys would WANT a relationship with a bodybuilder. We're a freaking pain in the ass. You might think that you just blissfully wake up every morning next to this gigantic muscle woman and you thank you lucky stars. You have to appreciate how much pressure they're under. The training, the diet, the hormones, the PED's, the side effects, the bloodwork, the bulking and cutting. It's a grind and many (most) bodybuilders make difficult partners.
I know that I do. That's one of the reasons why I'm single.
I always tell women straight up there is no way im paying to talk to someone or session. Its just not going to happen. Even if I wasnt broke its a principal for me. Paying for it would be the biggest loser move imaginable for me and giving up the one thing people cant take , your dignity and self respect.
Edited to say Actually that sounds more judgemental than I meant. I meant for me personally id feel like a loser and failed at finding someone with finality, not that people who do or pay for sessions are losers.
I always tell women straight up there is no way im paying to talk to someone or session. Its just not going to happen. Even if I wasnt broke its a principal for me. Paying for it would be the biggest loser move imaginable for me and giving up the one thing people cant take , your dignity and self respect.
Edited to say Actually that sounds more judgemental than I meant. I meant for me personally id feel like a loser and failed at finding someone with finality, not that people who do or pay for sessions are losers.
I hear you. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on this, and I think your opinion is pretty common.
When it comes to regular girls, I'm not super far off. I have never paid a standard sex worker for standard sex. Female or Male. I can generally get that if I put some effort into it. Seems like a waste.
I am a generous spender on muscle women because (1) it gives me easy access to a range of women that I admire and (2) they really need the money. It's expensive! They've invested a ton of time and effort and money into their body, and I think it's totally appropriate for me to donate a bit and support them.
Quick example: Chelsea Dion. I've never sessioned with her but I'm hoping to later this year. She's got a boyfriend. There is absolutely no way in hell that you (Bitterpill) will ever have access to Chelsea because she's not looking for a man. She's selling a service. And god willing, I'll be buying that service and licking her biceps, lol. It's an investment, but it's very fulfilling for me.
Keeping your attitude is definitely a lot cheaper because once you do one session, you'll be hooked.
There's a false dichotomy at work in this thread:
Completely disregarding a broad range of women in the middle.
I see it so often in countless threads on here.
Unless the roids themselves or the clout of a known competitor are somehow part of what does it for you, that's leaving so many fit/muscular women out of the discussion.
It's totally realistic and possible to get into a relationship with the middle ground territory where they aren't grinding like in Muscles_Toez description of a competitor's lifestyle and largely fit more "normal" personas, but also are very active in ways that gives them jaw dropping physiques.
Just because a woman is athletic, doesn't mean she doesn't prioritize intelligence, insight, humor, wit, charm, values, etc etc above a guy's physicality. People aren't stamped by a cookie-cutter and like doesn't necessarily attract like.
Instead of talking to a bunch of guys online, find excuses to talk to as many women as possible; not to hit on them, but to rewrite your internal dialog from "unattainable" to figuring out what they see in you and what qualities you have that they might admire.
And if your social skills are lacking, put the effort in to improve. You don't need to be a social Casanova, women just need to be comfortable and feel safe in your presence.
There's a false dichotomy at work in this thread:
- Normal women
- Roided bodybuilders
Completely disregarding a broad range of women in the middle.
I see it so often in countless threads on here.
Unless the roids themselves or the clout of a known competitor are somehow part of what does it for you, that's leaving so many fit/muscular women out of the discussion.
It's totally realistic and possible to get into a relationship with the middle ground territory where they aren't grinding like in Muscles_Toez description of a competitor's lifestyle and largely fit more "normal" personas, but also are very active in ways that gives them jaw dropping physiques.
Just because a woman is athletic, doesn't mean she doesn't prioritize intelligence, insight, humor, wit, charm, values, etc etc above a guy's physicality. People aren't stamped by a cookie-cutter and like doesn't necessarily attract like.
Instead of talking to a bunch of guys online, find excuses to talk to as many women as possible; not to hit on them, but to rewrite your internal dialog from "unattainable" to figuring out what they see in you and what qualities you have that they might admire.
And if your social skills are lacking, put the effort in to improve. You don't need to be a social Casanova, women just need to be comfortable and feel safe in your presence.
This thread doesn't deserve you.
There's a false dichotomy at work in this thread:
- Normal women
- Roided bodybuilders
Completely disregarding a broad range of women in the middle.
I see it so often in countless threads on here.
Unless the roids themselves or the clout of a known competitor are somehow part of what does it for you, that's leaving so many fit/muscular women out of the discussion.
It's totally realistic and possible to get into a relationship with the middle ground territory where they aren't grinding like in Muscles_Toez description of a competitor's lifestyle and largely fit more "normal" personas, but also are very active in ways that gives them jaw dropping physiques.
Just because a woman is athletic, doesn't mean she doesn't prioritize intelligence, insight, humor, wit, charm, values, etc etc above a guy's physicality. People aren't stamped by a cookie-cutter and like doesn't necessarily attract like.
Instead of talking to a bunch of guys online, find excuses to talk to as many women as possible; not to hit on them, but to rewrite your internal dialog from "unattainable" to figuring out what they see in you and what qualities you have that they might admire.
And if your social skills are lacking, put the effort in to improve. You don't need to be a social Casanova, women just need to be comfortable and feel safe in your presence.
Yes, I agree with all of your points. You are absolutely correct about this approach to meeting women and I try my best to put stuff like that into practice for myself.
However, I have to point this out: When it comes to these kind of threads - we are only talking about roided out women. The guys who are complaining about a lack of muscle women in their lives aren't dreaming of the middle ground girls. They don't want the pilates teacher with strong arms. They want the jacked FBB's of their dreams - the kind of women who do indeed live very extreme lifestyles.
How do I know? I searched the image gallery and sorted by best rated pics of the year. Check out the top 12. You can keep scrolling for a very long time before any middle ground girls turn up.
However, I have to point this out: When it comes to these kind of threads - we are only talking about roided out women. The guys who are complaining about a lack of muscle women in their lives aren't dreaming of the middle ground girls. They don't want the pilates teacher with strong arms. They want the jacked FBB's of their dreams - the kind of women who do indeed live very extreme lifestyles.
In some cases. You have extensive experience IRL @Muscles_Toez. Most of these posters do not.
In my observed experience, most of the guys making these complaints don't have well-developed skillsets to get out and make social connections. One of the core issues is getting out meeting people (including women) in general.
In threads like this, I regularly suggest joining a group focused on physical activity, such as a club for running, hiking, cycling, climbing, etc. Primary goal: build the skills and the routine to get out of the house, face some physical challenges, and meet other people just to practice meeting other people and get moving.
Meeting women will follow, and the more a guy is out there, socializing and moving, the more he will meet.
Further, nothing is better than real muscle in motion. A runner or climber girl who looks mediocre on a site like this is stunning in real life. Using photos from a site like this to set a personal mating standard is not only unrealistic, it isn't necessary... just go, in real life, to where fit and athletic women are hanging out, training, and socializing. It's good for everyone.
At least were i live women with minor muscles are also really rare. I think that in 30 years I saw maybe 3 women with 6 pack abs and 2 with biceps muscular calves are more common because of random genetics. they were all jogging and not in the mood to talk. one had a boyfriend or brother that looked like a male version of her with the exact same outfit. and other features apart from having a more male looking face.
I also saw some female cyclists that could be muscular but were too fast I saw them for less than a second. but still 3 in 30 years is not a good sign.
At least were i live women with minor muscles are also really rare. I think that in 30 years I saw maybe 3 women with 6 pack abs and 2 with biceps muscular calves are more common because of random genetics. they were all jogging and not in the mood to talk. one had a boyfriend or brother that looked like a male version of her with the exact same outfit. and other features apart from having a more male looking face.
I also saw some female cyclists that could be muscular but were too fast I saw them for less than a second. but still 3 in 30 years is not a good sign.
Hate to break it to you: you're going to have to join a gym and go to it regularly.
Women with muscles need to lift weights to build those muscles, and weights exist at gyms. Seeing one in the wild and pouncing on her with an openine line that's more compelling that whatever she's doing just isn't a good strategy.
Alhough yes, as asianfitnessfan posted, joining any kind of athletic club or activity is a great first step
There's a false dichotomy at work in this thread:
- Normal women
- Roided bodybuilders
Completely disregarding a broad range of women in the middle.
I see it so often in countless threads on here.
Unless the roids themselves or the clout of a known competitor are somehow part of what does it for you, that's leaving so many fit/muscular women out of the discussion.
It's totally realistic and possible to get into a relationship with the middle ground territory where they aren't grinding like in Muscles_Toez description of a competitor's lifestyle and largely fit more "normal" personas, but also are very active in ways that gives them jaw dropping physiques.
Just because a woman is athletic, doesn't mean she doesn't prioritize intelligence, insight, humor, wit, charm, values, etc etc above a guy's physicality. People aren't stamped by a cookie-cutter and like doesn't necessarily attract like.
Instead of talking to a bunch of guys online, find excuses to talk to as many women as possible; not to hit on them, but to rewrite your internal dialog from "unattainable" to figuring out what they see in you and what qualities you have that they might admire.
And if your social skills are lacking, put the effort in to improve. You don't need to be a social Casanova, women just need to be comfortable and feel safe in your presence.
I love any muscular woman, they dont need to be a female bodybuilder.
I am literally dying of lonliness trying to find one. I also have issues like major depression so its even harder to find someone
Im trying to work on myself but i feel this late in life its probably too late
Sure! I mean, look at what a scintillating conversationalist you've been here.
I'm sure that I am as confident as everyone else here about how much muscular women would enjoy your company.
Notice how you didnt respond to me calling you out on being a fake casonova
Do you date muscular women? Or plain average women you think makes me jealous because you have low standards and/or dont mind making someone second best.
Lets be real youre the kind of sterotypical dude who has a wife yet probably pays for sessions and of because you couldnt get the women you really want. At least i dont make someone a placeholder
I love any muscular woman, they dont need to be a female bodybuilder.
I am literally dying of lonliness trying to find one. I also have issues like major depression so its even harder to find someone
Im trying to work on myself but i feel this late in life its probably too late
If you found anything I said above useful, I've gotten into greater depth in other threads if you're looking for inspiration. I don't see any point in rehashing it here. Also, take heed in what asianfitnessfan said above.
I've got a secret for you: Even after you've given up, the world keeps spinning and opportunities keep happening. It's better to be ready to turn those opportunities into experiences than to be caught unprepared. Tell that negative voice inside your head to go elsewhere because you have future opportunities to prepare yourself for.
And while you don't need to be a bodybuilder, it'll help reduce your depression to start regular vigorous exercise. A little body recomposition goes a long way and you'll be unprepared for the day women start finding excuses to be around you hoping you'll notice them. Dedicate 18 months to make exercise a habit. Don't be surprised if you get approached after month 10. Don't do it for the women, don't do it to look better, do it to feel better if you struggle with depression. The other stuff will happen regardless, but the depression is a crutch worth striving to be rid of. Give that 18 to 24 months. It's not a quick fix, but exercise works better than any pharmaceutical.
If you found anything I said above useful, I've gotten into greater depth in other threads if you're looking for inspiration. I don't see any point in rehashing it here. Also, take heed in what asianfitnessfan said above.
I've got a secret for you: Even after you've given up, the world keeps spinning and opportunities keep happening. It's better to be ready to turn those opportunities into experiences than to be caught unprepared. Tell that negative voice inside your head to go elsewhere because you have future opportunities to prepare yourself for.
And while you don't need to be a bodybuilder, it'll help reduce your depression to start regular vigorous exercise. A little body recomposition goes a long way and you'll be unprepared for the day women start finding excuses to be around you hoping you'll notice them. Dedicate 18 months to make exercise a habit. Don't be surprised if you get approached after month 10. Don't do it for the women, don't do it to look better, do it to feel better if you struggle with depression. The other stuff will happen regardless, but the depression is a crutch worth striving to be rid of. Give that 18 to 24 months. It's not a quick fix, but exercise works better than any pharmaceutical.
I have tried i just dont enjoy exercise or feel better after. But i probably will try again
Couple thoughts:
1) It is an extremely common practice for muscular females, especially the larger ones, to offer services. You don't hear about it. They don't advertise on "Sessiongirls." Because they don't have to.
I'm dead serious. The women you see who publicly offer sessions have to put up with thousands of broke idiots from all over the world stringing them along for free messaging with zero intent of spending any money.
The real pros find clients through private referrals and word of mouth. LOL they're not coming on here or shilling on instgram. They don't have to. Just understand that there is a large cohort of horny men across the globe to whom money is not an object and they will easily pay $1k or more for an hour with one of the most muscular women on Earth.
And the market is even bigger for muscular men. It's funny to watch young straight guys idolizing macho-presenting professional male BB's without ever appreciating how much gay for pay work so many of them do. LOL sure bro, they drive that Lambo Urus becuase the Redcon1 preworkout sponsorship is really paying off. Not because they get 20k a night for posing and giving BJ's in Dubai. Totally the case.
2) Correct, sessions are not a relationship. They fulfill a physical desire for me and a financial desire for her.
Honestly, I doubt that many of you guys would WANT a relationship with a bodybuilder. We're a freaking pain in the ass. You might think that you just blissfully wake up every morning next to this gigantic muscle woman and you thank you lucky stars. You have to appreciate how much pressure they're under. The training, the diet, the hormones, the PED's, the side effects, the bloodwork, the bulking and cutting. It's a grind and many (most) bodybuilders make difficult partners.
I know that I do. That's one of the reasons why I'm single.