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It could be that western culture has, after years of mixing, finally realized that other more "exotic" cultures are not as good in long term and they're only interesting as a tourist attraction.
It's good that there's separation between certain groups. A rotten apple spoils the barrel.
Its a very controversial subject
It's not controversial at all. Outside of self-loathing, ethnomasochist circles, that is.
this development towards nationalism in my opinion is really a step back from a modern society which thrives from diversity.
Quite the opposite, it's a step forward to saving the societies in the West. You need diversity in your gut flora, not in your society, as any History book can attest to.
in the end we are all human and seperated more by our leaders in politics and religion then by anything else
People self-segregated and showed signs of in-group preference long before there was such a thing as politics, or even religion. This is not to say that you can't have friends from other cultures, that individuals are forbidden from marrying someone from another ethnicity, or that you should burn down your local Syrian convenience store, but no one can be that naive to believe there would be no reaction to the socially engineered mass migration and population replacement that has taken place in Western societies for the past decades.
"Population replacement" - a myth propagated by conspiracy theorists of the far right, as sound as the flatearth theory or chemtrails.
So yes, of course in-group preference is typically human and has emerged in every culture. But it is neither rational nor civilized. Instead this behaviour has to be overcome now that we have the technical means to do so like travelling to any part of the world in hours or sharing information worldwide instantly. We can even translate the most common languages automatically.
All authoritarian systems construct the outsider, the enemy beyond the borders against whom one must arm oneself. If we see through this narrative, we realize that on the other side stand not monsters, but people like us who want to live in peace and prosperity. When we recognize this, the liars lose their power. You may consider this a naive dream, but there are attempts to make this possible, such as the United Nations or the European Union. That is why these are also fiercely opposed by nationalists.
"Population replacement" - a myth propagated by conspiracy theorists of the far right
A myth on which the Population Division Department of Economic and Social Affairs of the United Nations wrote a paper about, and all. Must be some myth. The excuses to cling to outdated and naive "far right/left" have been flimsy for a good while, now, so I suggest you get up to speed.
But it is neither rational nor civilized.
It is perfectly rational and civilized. All the safest and most prosperous nations in history were homogeneous before their heterogeneous decline.
All authoritarian systems construct the outsider
All systems construct the outsider. Even this system of yours, in which you view yourself as the Good Person, needs a "far right" outsider to contrast your enlightened virtue with.
people like us who want to live in peace and prosperity
And they are welcome to do so. But mass migration brings anything but that, and there is zero excuse for such suicidal naivete when you not only have history books to tell you as much, but also a mere glance at the news shows you the polar opposite of what you're waxing lyrically about.
there are attempts to make this possible, such as the United Nations or the European Union. That is why these are also fiercely opposed by nationalists.
They are fiercely opposed by nationalists (and others) because the former is a paper tiger that sexually exploits and abuses Africans and quotes John Lennon when a country invades another, and the latter is a technocratic bureaucrat's wet dream that parasitically latched upon the EEC and is now draining its host dry.
Are there still people who think that population replacement is a myth? They must be living in some kind of an adamantium bubble, it's been going on for a long time now, but at least for 15 years it's been very apparent. Look at all the EU countries, Spain for example, is gonna legalize 500 000 undocumented immigrants, which is gonna make them stay there and dimminsh what little of society they have left. Minnesota has become a cesspit because of the forced immigration of Somalis there. Look around yourself a bit, it's all there and you don't even have to look hard for it.
One thing I do know though, and I'll tell you guys this for free, the Somali community is putting up some absolutely ass numbers for it's rate of generating buff hotties with buttocks like bowling balls.
Population of 19 million, significant overseas diaspora, but putting up absolutely no GWM's of note. Not even in the oversaturated 'Quads' category. Totally pathetic.
The whole damn place needs to take some notes from Sweden, which is a country literally half the size but it generates dozens of lithe Nordic babes a week and still has enough energy left over to have a world leading herring pickling industry. Like, it's Europe's leading exporter of high quality ass and still has time for fish fermentation techniques (actually that might be a bit much, Italy is also pretty great).
But look, focus on the big issues, what the fuck are you doing Somalia?! No wonder the OP is ready to bring in a visa ban until you get your shit together and start sending some stone cold peng to strut around the walls of the Hohensalzburg for him.
You guys need to start contributing properly if you're going to be welcome up in here. Be more Sweden.
Look, I'm not going to lie to you guys, but I lost the thread up in here several posts ago.
Catch me up, are we agreeing or disagreeing that ethnic separation makes it more or less likely that the OP is going to meet hot musclebound dtf chicks on the streets of Vienna or what?
I am not sure maybe if you get a lot of Latina or Ukrainian migrants. but i live in a tiny country and the handful of muscular women here are often of African or middle eastern decent. but they moved here because people in their home country trying to stop them.
@conassa - "population replacement" - maybe you should read that paper you've kindly linked and realize that it doesn't support your belief that there is a grand scheme behind it all purposedly put in place by the Bilderberg group or some other made-up secret leaders of the world that are trying to upset your imagined "homogeneous" population which is just another myth. Also the "far right" is not an outsider to me, just someone buying into a criminal ideology which has already shown which atrocities it is capable of in history.
@dongonzor
it doesn't support your belief that there is a grand scheme behind it all purposedly put in place by the Bilderberg group or some other made-up secret leaders of the world
Who said anything about "Bilderberg" or "secret leaders of the world"? This is a plan put in motion by rootless, technocratic bureaucracies that see nations as engines that can be run via interchangeable cogs. After decades of the "have less children, save the planet!" brainwashing, now we have "western populations are ageing and declining! We need mass migration for population replacement, because muh social security and muh economy!".
I mean, the conclusion is even there in the document: Immigration can slow population decline, but it cannot prevent it entirely without causing massive demographic shifts, transforming the host country's cultural and ethnic makeup. Which is why, according to them, governments must reassess policies regarding, among others, the integration of large numbers of migrants.
Truly, there is no worse blind man than the one who doesn’t want to see.
your imagined "homogeneous" population which is just another myth
It clearly became a myth for some like you, because that's the only reality you know and were browbeaten into accepting.
Also the "far right" is not an outsider to me, just someone buying into a criminal ideology which has already shown which atrocities it is capable of in history.
In other words, an outsider. Someone you exclude because they don't fit or you find them undesirable. The point stands.
Just out of curiosity, since you insist on clinging to outdated terms, what is the far-left to you?
Yo could my man Dongonzor expand on his very interesting point about the bygone era in which Austria was largely ethnically homogeneous being an imaginary myth?
Totally up for hearing more about the prelapsarian days in which Austria was some kind of multi-ethnic rainbow nation and what happened to cause its vast Asian and African populations to vanish so suddenly. Sounds absolutely wild and I have no idea why medieval historians haven't mentioned it more.
Could he come back and give us some deets?
Are there still people who think that population replacement is a myth? They must be living in some kind of an adamantium bubble, it's been going on for a long time now, but at least for 15 years it's been very apparent. Look at all the EU countries, Spain for example, is gonna legalize 500 000 undocumented immigrants, which is gonna make them stay there and dimminsh what little of society they have left. Minnesota has become a cesspit because of the forced immigration of Somalis there. Look around yourself a bit, it's all there and you don't even have to look hard for it.
I live in Minnesota. Its no cesspit. It’s a beautiful place, both in scenery and in spirit. Somalis are just people, and like all humans, contain multitudes. So are the Hmong and the Vietnamese and the Koreans and Ukrainians and the Poles and the Irish and the Finns and the Hondurans and Mexicans and Norwegians and Turks and all the rest. We are absolutely made better by these people. The people we DON’T want here are people like you. Don’t speak on what you don’t know. Which is clearly a lot.
I’ll leave off the more offensive missives I felt like posting. But, the more I wrote this, the better I felt, because when I look around at my state, and my city, all I see are heroes, and I am reminded that we are so, so much better than people like you.
Somalis are just people, and like all humans, contain multitudes. So are the Hmong and the Vietnamese and the Koreans and Ukrainians and the Poles and the Irish and the Finns and the Hondurans and Mexicans and Norwegians and Turks
Yes, all those are people. And all those are people who stem from a particular culture, which is shaped by the environment they and their ancestors came from. Turks are not Norwegians, just like Turkey is not Norway. But guess what happens when 100.000 Turks move into Norway en masse, as opposed to trickling into the country? They don't become Norwegian Turks in anything but paper, that area becomes Little Turkey, and they start bloc-voting for Turkish political representatives and campaign to ban food ads during Ramadan.
There is no magic dirt in countries. I wouldn't magically become Nigerian if I relocated to Nigeria, nor would an Icelander become Tajik just because he acquired a passport after staying there with a work visa. And 100.000 Icelanders mass migrating into Tajikistan would change the country's cultural make-up and social fabric.
We are absolutely made better by these people.
Do you have any metrics for that, other than the culturally suicidal "diversity is our strength" feel-good talking point?
Yo could my man Dongonzor expand on his very interesting point about the bygone era in which Austria was largely ethnically homogeneous being an imaginary myth?
The myth is the homogenity of any population, because migration is one constant in the history of mankind. There just is no such thing as a homogenous people. It's a myth being used by politicians in the pursuit of power - "divide and rule", ever heard of this therm?
I’ll leave off the more offensive missives I felt like posting. But, the more I wrote this, the better I felt, because when I look around at my state, and my city, all I see are heroes, and I am reminded that we are so, so much better than people like you.
Thank you for that reality check biflexual!
The myth is the homogenity of any population, because migration is one constant in the history of mankind.
You're conflating the immigration of individuals, which gives other countries Chinese restaurants and Albanian bakeries, with mass migration, that changes the makeup of nations. The homogeneity of any population is what makes a nation. Nations aren't conglomerates or football clubs, and none of them contain any magic dirt that transforms people who set foot on them.
There just is no such thing as a homogenous people
"Homogeneous" doesn't mean "army of clones". At 91% Han, China is homogeneous, for example. And even in countries that are broadly still considered homogeneous, like Australia or Norway, you still have a multitude of issues just on account of mass migration from unassimilated populations.
It's a myth being used by politicians in the pursuit of power - "divide and rule", ever heard of this therm?
It's divide and conquer. And you're looking at it the wrong way. What those "politicians" are doing is enacting immigration policies to relocate ethnically and culturally distinct populations into other regions to dilute and eventually transform the native ethnic population into a globalized mishmash "culture" over time. Which, needless to say, isn't quite working the way they expected.
The myth is the homogenity of any population, because migration is one constant in the history of mankind.
Ah yes, you see it was this very unusual idea that I was hoping you could tell us more about.
All this constant migration that you say is in Austria's history, could you talk to us about some of the specific points in the nation's past when these waves of people entered and left it in such numbers to render it not largely ethnically homogeneous?
When was this, and where did they all go? How did Austria turn back into a country populated almost exclusively by white Germanic people by the 1900's? What happened to all this constant migration?
It sounds fascinating, will you tell us more about this constant shifting of the country's ethnic makeup, please?
In the past years, rather saying decades, I noticed a trend among the young fellows here in Austria.
Where we used to mingle with people from different cultures - it was cool to have a gf from the point furthest away back in the days - they all stick with their own blood nowadays. Slovanian girls only dating slovenian guys, turkish stick to themselves, latin american and so on. Also there is some sort of religious formation of groups, especially within the muslim cmmunity. Football players with migration background refuse to sing the Austrian anthmem.
Any other parts of the world experiencing this sort if retro trend ?