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Should the "Racism in everyday life" thread be deleted?

Mar 17, 2025 - edited Mar 18, 2025 by Chainer - permalink

Split from "Racism in Everyday Life" -Chainer

Delete this

Mar 17, 2025 - permalink

Really off topic

Mar 17, 2025 - permalink

Delete this

Can you explain why, please?

Really off topic

Ok, but it's not some kind of fantasy or sci-fi.

I described the one I was involved in, but if you use public transportation, go to clubs or restaurants, you can see many unpleasant events.

Mar 17, 2025 - permalink

Really off topic

That’s why it’s posted in off topic and not “requests”.

Mar 18, 2025 - permalink

Delete this

Seconded.

Mar 18, 2025 - permalink

Seconded.

Why? Just curious.

Mar 18, 2025 - permalink

Why? Just curious.

It's not even tangentially related to women with muscles.

Mar 18, 2025 - permalink

It depends on what the mods want but I say no because I am against deleting almost anything

Chainer
Mar 18, 2025 - permalink

For what it's worth, I'm pretty allergic to "This offends me therefore it should be deleted" so if I get a whiff of that I'm probably more likely to keep it around out of spite. (Not just in this case, but in general.)

Reasons I might delete something include: it's spammy, generally uninteresting, or impractical to moderate.

It's not even tangentially related to women with muscles.

You must be in favor of getting rid of the whole Off Topic section then, I presume.

Mar 18, 2025 - permalink

It's still a pretty loaded topic for a website for people who want to ogle women with muscle.

Mar 18, 2025 - permalink

Not 100% sure WHY you want to know this, but Chainer is right (freedom of speech) and he also happens to be the boss.

That's not how freedom of speech works.

However, if Chainer says it's okay and doesn't violate site rules, so be it.

Exe
Mar 18, 2025 - permalink

Don't worry about having something deleted, just ignore it. Out of sight out of mind... ;)

Mar 18, 2025 - permalink

That's not how freedom of speech works.

However, if Chainer says it's okay and doesn't violate site rules, so be it.

You can say whatever you want, but you must own the effects.

On a public platform there is implied invitation and license to discuss whatever you want, but it can be revoked by the owner/administrator if so chosen.

But the owner/administrator will have to justify their decision to remove or silence speech.

Obvious justifications include threatening behaviour, the inciting or encouragement of illegal activities and/or the use of slurs based upon gender, skin colour, religion, sexual orientation etc etc.

I have a grasp on it.

Chainer
Mar 18, 2025 - edited Mar 18, 2025 - permalink

On a public platform there is implied invitation and license to discuss whatever you want, but it can be revoked by the owner/administrator if so chosen.

But the owner/administrator will have to justify their decision to remove or silence speech.

That's not true, private platforms such as this one are free to delete anything they want and don't have to justify it in any way.

My preference is to not do that, although I'm certainly willing to do that if I have a reason to, and the reason doesn't even have to be very strong; just something like, it's more irritating than valuable, or it's boring and/or devolved into circular bickering, or I just don't feel like putting in the effort to moderate it right now.

One thing I would try very hard not to do though, is to censor just one side of an argument. I'm part of some online communities where they do this on a regular basis, where a politically fraught topic will come up and everyone who holds one particular view is free to express it all day long, while anyone posting the other side gets banned. This is absolutely enraging. I understand if you want to ban the topic altogether for practical reasons, but allowing just one side is not how you do that.

But if I wanted to moderate in that way I'd be allowed to do that too.

[deleted]
Mar 18, 2025 - permalink

There's an entire essay on Descartes or something in here.

Chainer
Mar 18, 2025 - permalink

Funny how this thread generates way more attention than the actual thread it's about.

Mar 18, 2025 - permalink
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Mar 18, 2025 - permalink

Here's where you're mistaken. Regardless of the public accessibility of the website, the website is in fact private property, and as such, is subject to whatever rules or policies the property owner chooses. For example, in the TOS that you agreed to when you registered your account, there might be a rule that users be wearing one purple sock and one yellow sock while posting.

Being private property, the only justification that the owner/administrator needs is "because I said so." Chainer illustrated this above.

You would think. But the US government felt they had the right to tell Twitter the type of speech that should or shouldn't be allowed, before Musk bought it.

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Mar 18, 2025 - permalink

If the conversaton is moderated and civil, then why delete it?

Mar 18, 2025 - permalink

You would think. But the US government felt they had the right to tell Twitter the type of speech that should or shouldn't be allowed, before Musk bought it.

The US govt under both Trump and Biden told twitter what they should and should not be allowed. The thing you are missing and what the “twitter files” actually proved and people do not like to mention is that Twitter was and has always been free to follow that advice or not. They were never forced or coerced.

Now when it comes to topics of Israel or Palestine. The US government has indeed violated free speech rights against protestors.

Mar 18, 2025 - permalink

I think it's obvious we should keep it. It's the off topic section.

Plus, I think those unconfortable topics need to be discussed more in general, as being aware of the experiences of others it's important and this might be a good way to reach a target audience that might normally not discuss about racism with others.

Plus, at least we'll know who the racists among us are, at least one has in the original discussion has openly admitted to being racist already (and I don't think he meant it in the 'implicit bias' sense) XD

Mar 18, 2025 - permalink

What the … . As a European I don’t even understand why this could be a divisive topic. Obviously don’t delete the thread.

Mar 18, 2025 - permalink

Plus, I think those unconfortable topics need to be discussed more in general, as being aware of the experiences of others it's important and this might be a good way to reach a target audience that might normally not discuss about racism with others.

That was exactly my intention

Mar 18, 2025 - permalink

Let me first say that I unequivocally condemn racism and bigotry of any kind. I lean liberal socially and usually vote that way. Important to get that out because nowadays if you show the slightest resistance, you get branded as a hate-filled conservative.

With that said, there are literally thousands of places on the internet to voice your frustration and concerns with today’s societal impact of racism. Why aren’t we able to compartmentalize politics and not have it seep in to every corner of our lives? This thread has zero to do with appreciating muscular women and you are foolish if you think someone is going to have an epiphany about bigotry in today’s society from a random thread on a fetish website.

Where do we draw the line? Can I start making threads on here about my support to end genocide in Palestine? How about the treatment of Uyghurs in China?

Mods, please answer so the community knows precisely where the line is drawn for non-related discussions on this website.

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