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You just described me and I assure you that I don't look overweight/ obese at first glance. I haven't worked out in over a year other than walking around parks. 5'9 weighing 200 lbs isn't as fat looking as people on this forum believe. Am I bigger or stronger than women who body build in Figure, Physique, or Bodybuilding? Absolutely not! Well let me clarify, not the gals who are tall or are top placements.
I had a coworker who was a figure competitor and though she was buff, she was also 5'2 and weighed maybe 130 lbs. Her bench and deadlift was nowhere near mine. I met a powerlifter a while back and I had no doubt in my mind that could out lift me easily. She was also 5'3 and looked maybe 150 lbs. She was wide as a barn house, but her limbs were short and her hands were small. In a fight, if I didn't know how to fight, I still think my odds would be fine because of how much smaller she was.
The point I'm making is the average girl is smaller than the average guy. Even if the girl works out, she will probably on average be smaller. People here are really confused what heights and weights really look like. 5'9 and 200 lbs is not a small guy. He is not morbidly obese. He may have a belly like I do, but he won't look out right fat. The only women who I feel would really kick an average guys ass are the women who are 5'9 and taller because of how big they are.
Even if she's a few inches shorter, I'd still bet my money on her. However, if she was 6 or more inches shorter than the guy, than I may give the average guy the advantage.
For whatever its worth, my vote was for 60% to 80%, because I felt that in some cases an average guy may have certain advantages such as being 6+ inches taller than the fit girl. Hence why I voted the way I did.
Also, for whatever its worth, I feel like you and some others here are overestimating the average guy, as many average guys are sitting in offices these days for several hours and not doing much.
I'll just leave it at that.
Starting with the assumption none are "fighters", and no one knows how to throw a punch
I know it's all in fun and ridiculousness, but even if she CAN, it's beyond absurb to talk about the 5-foot-2 to 5-foot-4, 110-130 lb-ers beating, regular 5-foot-9 or taller guys weighing 180-200 lbs or more.
Apparently for some here it doesn't seem like it's "fun and ridiculousness". They seem to be taking it personally and going on a "gender war" with Andrew Tate as their inspiration. Lol!
But then again, why would the "Andrew Tates" be on this site to begin with? Maybe deep down inside they are schmoes and they feel ashamed about it so they are lashing out in this thread. I don't know.....
I want to post some body comparison pics of the muscular girls in this site with average looking guys, where I think the girl would more likely than not win in a fight against him. The average looking guys can be on the overweight side, skinny side, or even be somewhat fit as they occasionally work out. People can disagree if they want, but I would like to let you know what I think.
Here's my first one. Even though this guy seems to be a bit taller and also kind of fit, I'd bet my money on her as she looks pretty jacked, which I think a lot of the girls in this site are. Plus, this is assuming that he's not a trained fighter.
Also, for whatever it’s worth, I feel like you and some others here are overestimating the average guy, as many average guys are sitting in offices these days for several hours and not doing much.
Ok I’m convinced you prefer to believe in this viewpoint. I don’t think you’ve met a female bodybuilder or muscular girl. Most are not that big, my guy. I don’t think you’ve been in a fight also. Size matters when you are fighting. Here’s a pro tip, getting punched by a guy with large knuckles sucks. I’m not saying getting punched by a woman doesn’t hurt, but they do tend to have shorter arms and smaller hands.
I’ll leave it at that
this thread is either people thinking some random homeless guy would one shot holly holm or a slightly above average fitness chick being able to take on khabib nurmagomedov lmfao, theres no in between
Ok I’m convinced you prefer to believe in this viewpoint. I don’t think you’ve met a female bodybuilder or muscular girl. Most are not that big, my guy. I don’t think you’ve been in a fight also. Size matters when you are fighting. Here’s a pro tip, getting punched by a guy with large knuckles sucks. I’m not saying getting punched by a woman doesn’t hurt, but they do tend to have shorter arms and smaller hands.
I’ll leave it at that
You're wrong. I have met several female bodybuilders, with arm size larger than 15 inches and quad size approaching 25 inches. Plus, I have been in fights and seen fights. I think you're overestimating the height factor because I have seen people who may be a few inches shorter but still win against their taller opponent. However, if a person is 5+ or 6+ inches shorter, then I think the advantage goes to the taller fighter.
But then again check out this picture. I do think this guy is a type of guy one would see a lot so I would consider average, even though he's pretty skinny. But I really doubt he would win in a fight against her. Yes, he maybe taller, but look how much more jacked she is and she is indeed representative of typical girl on this site. I think more often than not, she would win against him.
this thread is either people thinking some random homeless guy would one shot holly holm or a slightly above average fitness chick being able to take on khabib nurmagomedov lmfao, theres no in between
I know right? Lol! Hence why my personal vote was 60% to 80%, knowing that there are some girls on this site who are not as strong as the average guy.
I believe that a minor number of bikini competitors and fitness influencers, but a significant percentage of professional female bodybuilders as well as top crossfit competitors, would be able to defeat the average untrained man.
I am not talking about a miner or a fireman, but about an ordinary man with current life habits.
in theory, men have a significant advantage in strength and bone density, but I'm not sure how much that advantage is compared to, say, professional female bodybuilders.
weight training significantly increases bone density, and as far as raw strength is concerned, I believe that professional female bodybuilders are generally stronger than the average untrained male.
also those women are used to training until their muscles fail and to ignore pain, which is not exactly the case with an untrained man.
men have an advantage in the mindset that implies readiness to fight, so I think that in the case of a fair fight it could be decisive.
but in the case of a life and death fight, I would always bet on a professional female bodybuilder rather than the average man, because of her greater strength and resistance to pain, and her never-give-up mindset.
I would assume the same for top crossfit competitors, they may be inferior in terms of strength, but in terms of endurance, ability to withstand pain and dexterity they are far superior to the average untrained man.
if we were to compare two individuals of the same mass, only then would I not have much of a dilemma.
as for top female mma competitors, judokas or boxers, I have no dillema, a top female boxer would hit the average man in the head ten times before he would even raise his hands to protect himself, and a judoka would throw him on the head in the blink of an eye.
Agreed.
Unrelasted to fighting ability, but for context, it is thought that an average deadlift for an untrained guy is around 130kg. Chloe Brennan, the Under-73 kg natural World's Strongest Woman deadlifts 220.
Good point to put some more context around it.
I really appreciated your points as you weren't deluded and biased one way or the other.
Many of you guys are making a lot of assumptions. One of the most overlooked facts about this site is there are over 70,000 searchable names. How many of them are actually stronger than the average man? What do you define as an "average man?" Is he old, young.... does he work a blue collar job or does he sit in an office... is he active or sedentary in his free time?
Touché!
But then again check out this picture. I do think this guy is a type of guy one would see a lot so I would consider average, even though he's pretty skinny. But I really doubt he would win in a fight against her. Yes, he maybe taller, but look how much more jacked she is and she is indeed representative of typical girl on this site. I think more often than not, she would win against him.
Yeah a few things wrong with your choice of an example. A.) That guy is 6 feet tall. Way over average height. B.) He’s a teenager. Of course he’s going to be thin. So not average. Bobbie(the girl) at the time of the picture was in her mid 20’s C.) She’s a top European power lifter. So she’s above the average of most muscle girls. Of course she’s going to be jacked as hell since she’s a top athlete.
You moved to goal post to make your point. I agree that a a few amount on here could wreck a guy, but not 60% to 80%. Let’s just celebrate muscular women in the modern age!
> > Well , first not everyone but iv'e noticed that lot of female bodybuilders are not so much strong then untrained male. > > Second by the way i saw by many heavy juiced that uploaded videos punching the bag that they fighting skills are very very poor even less terrible then untrained male. > > Yes female bodybuildres are good athlets and self deciplined. Many girls came to the sport by a mentality of beauty contest not everyone have the mindset of fighters. My opinion at least. Offcourse there is lot of fbb that have a great ground to be a fighters
female bodybuilders are massively stronger than the untrained male(im not even talking about some of the roided john cena looking "women" that are on this site)
Based on what? I seem to be the only one here actually injecting data and facts into the argument. The average male can db curl 50lbs. Can the average female here do that? I don't train and I can max out at 40lbs. I just saw one of the top-rated females here struggle with a 30lb curl.
Yeah a few things wrong with your choice of an example. A.) That guy is 6 feet tall. Way over average height. B.) He’s a teenager. Of course he’s going to be thin. So not average. Bobbie(the girl) at the time of the picture was in her mid 20’s C.) She’s a top European power lifter. So she’s above the average of most muscle girls. Of course she’s going to be jacked as hell since she’s a top athlete.
You moved to goal post to make your point. I agree that a a few amount on here could wreck a guy, but not 60% to 80%. Let’s just celebrate muscular women in the modern age!
Even if the guy is a teenager, there are still plenty of skinny guys in their 20s who Bobbie can wreck. I've seen a lot of skinny adult guys in my life and I'm sure you have too.
But I'm not moving the goal post. I think the reason why you and I don't see eye to eye is because I happen to stumble across a lot of girls like Bobbie, so my perspective/vote is that 60 to 80 percent of the girls here can wreck an average guy. Meanwhile, you probably stumble across girls who aren't as strong as Bobbie, so your perspective/vote was probably less than the 60 to 80 percent. I guess a lot of it comes down to what models each of us as individuals stumble across and that makes it difficult for all of us to be in agreement with each other, as there are many models of various strength and muscularity levels. Plus for whatever its worth, there are over 30,000 models in this site.
So I guess we can "agree to disagree". But one thing I can agree with you, is that we can indeed celebrate muscular women in the modern age.
Based on what? I seem to be the only one here actually injecting data and facts into the argument. The average male can db curl 50lbs. Can the average female here do that? I don't train and I can max out at 40lbs. I just saw one of the top-rated females here struggle with a 30lb curl.
Im not remember that the last time that i watched a fbb lifting imperssive weights , yes there is a few but they outstanding
"In 2022, it was found that 21.2 percent of men in the United States participated in sports, exercise, and recreational activities." The reality in America is most men don't go to the gym and aren't active in any sort of sport.
When you see a guy at the gym signing up to just start working out and doing the tour I find they usually don't bench more than 95 pounds. Some as low as like 75 pounds. You have women on here literally curling that with 35's and 40's in each arm with controlled no ego lifting. Like I am a big guy who's lifted for years and over 200 pounds and I use 35's and 40's for controlled curls. I know girls on here doing 4-5 plates on each side on hack squats, that's more than any skinny young guy starting at the gym can dream of. Most guys who aren't active aren't strong, like they gas real quick once they go through like a real workout program with some intermediate stress.
While fighting is 100% technique, I trained at one of the big mma gyms in teens. If both people are untrained it usually always comes down to strength. Unfortunately a lot of untrained men just aren't as strong as the big FBB's, Womens Physique, and probably even the top tier of figure girls. Unless you have a clear strategy and experience it's distressing in a fight if somebody is just stronger with better endurance.
Based on what? I seem to be the only one here actually injecting data and facts into the argument. The average male can db curl 50lbs. Can the average female here do that? I don't train and I can max out at 40lbs. I just saw one of the top-rated females here struggle with a 30lb curl.
alva hemmingson, a natural girl can casually barbell curl 50 kgs
"In 2022, it was found that 21.2 percent of men in the United States participated in sports, exercise, and recreational activities." The reality in America is most men don't go to the gym and aren't active in any sort of sport.
When you see a guy at the gym signing up to just start working out and doing the tour I find they usually don't bench more than 95 pounds. Some as low as like 75 pounds. You have women on here literally curling that with 35's and 40's in each arm with controlled no ego lifting. Like I am a big guy who's lifted for years and over 200 pounds and I use 35's and 40's for controlled curls. I know girls on here doing 4-5 plates on each side on hack squats, that's more than any skinny young guy starting at the gym can dream of. Most guys who aren't active aren't strong, like they gas real quick once they go through like a real workout program with some intermediate stress.
While fighting is 100% technique, I trained at one of the big mma gyms in teens. If both people are untrained it usually always comes down to strength. Unfortunately a lot of untrained men just aren't as strong as the big FBB's, Womens Physique, and probably even the top tier of figure girls. Unless you have a clear strategy and experience it's distressing in a fight if somebody is just stronger with better endurance.
Very well said bro!
You described yourself as "I am a big guy who's lifted for years and over 200 pounds and I use 35's and 40's for controlled curls." The fact that this is coming from you, a man who works out a lot, carries a lot of weight. You've seen plenty of women on this site who curl 35's and 40's and hack squatting 400 pounds. Plus I myself have seen that as well. It seems as if some of these guys here don't seem to notice the women who are lifting heavy and are extremely jacked like you and I are noticing. For what its worth, when I posted the pic of Bobbie Butters a few posts age, the guy described her as an "above average" muscle girl here. I actually think she's the "average" muscle girl here and I think you would agree too. Hence why my vote was 60 to 80 percent. I'm really surprised that some these guys don't notice the women you and I are noticing, unless they are in complete denial for reasons unknown.
You also stated, "In 2022, it was found that 21.2 percent of men in the United States participated in sports, exercise, and recreational activities." Was this finding in an article somewhere? If so, could you post it here or even send it to me separately as I'm curious to know more?
alva hemmingson, a natural girl can casually barbell curl 50 kgs
Here it is! She got the barbell up all the way up to her chest, very impressive. And there are plenty of other girls here who crank out heavy weights.
You just described me and I assure you that I don't look overweight/ obese at first glance. I haven't worked out in over a year other than walking around parks. 5'9 weighing 200 lbs isn't as fat looking as people on this forum believe. Am I bigger or stronger than women who body build in Figure, Physique, or Bodybuilding? Absolutely not! Well let me clarify, not the gals who are tall or are top placements.
I had a coworker who was a figure competitor and though she was buff, she was also 5'2 and weighed maybe 130 lbs. Her bench and deadlift was nowhere near mine. I met a powerlifter a while back and I had no doubt in my mind that could out lift me easily. She was also 5'3 and looked maybe 150 lbs. She was wide as a barn house, but her limbs were short and her hands were small. In a fight, if I didn't know how to fight, I still think my odds would be fine because of how much smaller she was.
The point I'm making is the average girl is smaller than the average guy. Even if the girl works out, she will probably on average be smaller. People here are really confused what heights and weights really look like. 5'9 and 200 lbs is not a small guy. He is not morbidly obese. He may have a belly like I do, but he won't look out right fat. The only women who I feel would really kick an average guys ass are the women who are 5'9 and taller because of how big they are.