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I'd argue that body dysmorphia is quite common among lifters, especially those presenting their physiques publically (most notably so-called bigorexia). Hence, if body dysmorphia were the criterion, GWM would have to axe a good portion of all content (probably the majority of it actually).
Ok, but most of these people don’t post on social media “I hate myself” or “I hate working out and I only do it because I have body dysmorphia” as she does actively on social media.
This girl borders on “thinspiration”/“Ana” - 2 very dangerous trends that I don’t think this community should be supporting.
Someone who has eating disorders and body dysmorphia are going to engage in those practices regardless of what is or isn't posted on a fetish site like this. It's not the responsibility of this site to investigate the motivations of why a woman decides to lift, use PEDs or engage in extreme diets.
Futhermore, like cdcd said, body dysmorphia and disordered eating is extremely common in bodybuilding and strength sports. It's not as highlighted in a negative light like anorexia, though, because of the "strength is good/sexy/the-new-skinny" narrative that is often accompanied by it. Anorexics and extreme bodybuilders/very muscular and lean physiques have far more in common than you might think: but again, that is glossed over because we are attracted to buff women.
If we removed every person who has body dysmorphia and/or eating disorders on GWM, the site would be a ghost town. And no, just because someone doesn't actually post that they have body dysmorphia, it doesn't give them any "acceptability" on being featured on sites like this versuss someone who does.
This is subjective. The girl above, Anna, has great abs but is no way too thin IMO. She works hard on having great abs but is not losing weight because of it. Besides, she's noted as 18 years old so she still hasn't totally matured.
Unless some of you are amongst the world's leading health experts then find a new hobby.
This is subjective. The girl above, Anna, has great abs but is no way too thin IMO. She works hard on having great abs but is not losing weight because of it. Besides, she's noted as 18 years old so she still hasn't totally matured.
Do you seriously not see the overly thin arms?
And if she is only 18 and is posting body dysmorphia, all the more reason not to be sharing her pictures on this site.
These are grown-ass women. They can take responsibility for their own life style (for better or worse)
Echoing what others said above - bodybuilding is inherently unhealthy, especially professionally, and especially for women. This entire forum is purpose-built to grow a community of people who will enable said women in the pursuit of destroying their bodies. The only winning move is not to play.
Guess i have to disagree. Who exactly is enabling whom? Only a small minority of the women have ever posted here and i doubt a significant portion are even visiting the site in the first place. At worst they would have a harder time to sell softcore porn online without this website.
Who exactly is enabling whom?
One of the primary motivators that keeps people in this sport is the recognition of their hard work, in my experience. Whether that is through social media, competitions, expos, you name it, none of that happens without general support from fans and the public.
At worst they would have a harder time to sell softcore porn online without this website.
Correct, that's part of my point. Vladislava Galagan pulls an excess of six figures from her OnlyFans alone. She has a vested interest in continuing to abuse substances and putting herself through the rigors of training so that she can afford her lifestyle (or at least did, I have no idea if her new husband is rich). Same thing goes for many of the models on HerBiceps and other cam sites.
Ok, perhaps at least take down the posts that promote this behavior and/or when she says she hates herself? I can’t believe people would want to look at women who hates her body, even on a “fetish site”.
Yeah, no way she's being sarcastic. Couldn't possibly be taking the piss. We gotta ban her pics for her own protection.
I can't believe you've invented a fictional scenario about a girl you don't know so you can moralize on a fetish site.
Yeah, no way she's being sarcastic. Couldn't possibly be taking the piss. We gotta ban her pics for her own protection.
I can't believe you've invented a fictional scenario about a girl you don't know so you can moralize on a fetish site.
If you have personal experience with people with eating disorders, it’s easy to do.
Sorry if empathy is not in your vocabulary.
I’m not sure how you draw a line on this subject. Most bodybuilders are unhealthy in some way, just by the nature of what they do. Steroids use/abuse, body dysmorphia, extreme dieting, tanning beds, the list goes on.
You could just as easily argue this girl is at least slightly ahead on the “road to recovery” since at least she’s come to terms with having a problem.
Is this girl healthy? No. Will ignoring her make her better? Probably not. I just think if you’re going to worry about this girl, why don’t you worry about EVERYONE on social media.
If you have personal experience with people with eating disorders, it’s easy to do.
Sorry if empathy is not in your vocabulary.
You can't diagnose an eating disorder by looking at someone.
The sad little dig about empathy just emphasizes what a presumptuous moron you are.
I recently noticed that this girl has showed up on GWM: https://www.girlswithmuscle.com/images/?name=...
Having dated a girl a long time with body dysmorphia, I realized right away that she looked unhealthy. My suspicions were confirmed with these posts:
Those with body dysmorphia seek outside validation. At what point should we, as a community, not contribute to this?
I've never dealt with a person with BD in the way you have. I understand how that personal experience can inform your perspective and I don't take your posts as preaching, but as advocacy and dialog.
I narrowed your 4 gallery examples to just the one above. The others could be little more than the nonchalant appropriations of a young, thin person without BD. "Like, whatevs..."
In your 2nd choice, she has no life in her eyes. I can interpret that as the same devil may care attitude above, or as BD. Since I don't know enough about her, I consider it indeterminate.
That said, I see someone that claims working out is her lifestyle and whose physique is lean, with excellent muscle tone, and although her arms are small as you say, her muscle mass is greater than a starved anorexic.
I'm sure the number of people with BD that choose to lift is far greater than we'll ever know. Other posts in this thread gave focus to how unhealthy it (hardcore bodybuilding) can be. But I've found that this forum trends towards generalizing nihilistic worst case scenarios as the only explanation. Do those extremes exist? Yes. Are those extremes more prevalent among certain models on GWM? Yes. But it's less prevalent and less likely to be so extreme than much of the hyperbole you'll find here.
On balance, lifting is unquestionably one of the best things anyone can do for their overall health. Beyond the physical aesthetics, regular vigorous exercise helps stabilize and regulate brain chemistry, promotes improved mood and confidence, increases hormone sensitivity that helps with satiety, and those lead to other healthy choices. It's a domino effect of stacking benefits.
If BD leads a person on the path towards lifting and the subsequent domino effect of stacking benefits, that's the healthiest thing short of healing their BD... and stabilizing and regulating their brain chemistry gives them the best possible chance to heal from their BD.
Seeing your OP immediately made me think of two former anorexics on GWM that have long since conquered their ED.
Brand being the more serious case has images of her once wheelchair bound and bed ridden in a hospital from her anorexia. She recovered from her anorexia and moved to the extreme end with her bodybuilding. Although Brand may likely still be dealing with a form of BD, given the choice between a hospital bed and wheelchair, or her being a hardcore bodybuilder, the latter is comparatively much healthier. One day, hopefully she'll entirely heal from any BD that may still remain.
Pecini to my knowledge never reached the anorexic lows that Brand did, but she wasn't healthy. Fast forward to now and there's no distinction between her and any other competitor. She's able to have a softer off-season look and doesn't appear to go to unhealthy extremes.
Off-season
Anna (fixkminl21/hjeeu829) looks similar to when Brand was newer into lifting. Assuming you're correct about it being BD, and providing she keeps lifting, regardless of whether she grows her small frame, those stacking benefits will start paying off and will give her a chance to heal any BD she might have.
As for sharing her images here or not, short of the mods deciding to hard blacklist her, there's no way to stop it anymore than an oar could hold back the ocean.
Ok, perhaps at least take down the posts that promote this behavior and/or when she says she hates herself? I can’t believe people would want to look at women who hates her body, even on a “fetish site”.
If this is written as text on the video, then do report it. If it’s an interpretation as to the person’s behaviour, then that’s a little harder.
We do already reject images that only show “muscle” because the person is anorexic or borderline so. If we missed a few, then report them.
As to body dysphoria in general, then that’s likely to manifest itself in multiple forms and it could be argued that much of what is posted on social media is a coping mechanism, involving a mix of loneliness, body dysphoria and questioning their own value. Sure there are people who are truly balanced and are monetising themselves because they understand the value, but in reality they are likely to the minority. Who is truly balanced anyhow?
Ok, perhaps at least take down the posts that promote this behavior and/or when she says she hates herself? I can’t believe people would want to look at women who hates her body, even on a “fetish site”.
If this is written as text on the video, then do report it. If it’s an interpretation as to the person’s behaviour, then that’s a little harder.
We do already reject images that only show “muscle” because the person is anorexic or borderline so. If we missed a few, then report them.
As to body dysphoria in general, then that’s likely to manifest itself in multiple forms and it could be argued that much of what is posted on social media is a coping mechanism, involving a mix of loneliness, body dysphoria and questioning their own value. Sure there are people who are truly balanced and are monetising themselves because they understand the value, but in reality they are likely to the minority. Who is truly balanced anyhow?
This is good to know.
I wish there was a single (highly visible) place where these mod guidelines were consolidated and published for user reference.
I realize there are users that won't bother to read them or will disregard or even actively try to subvert site standards, but for the plenty of users that do, it would be helpful. Currently, searching the forum for potentially obscure one-off posts like the one above, or lucking into reading the right thread is the only way to know with many of these standards.
IMO it's hard to justify deleting these based on OP's reasoning. This is along the same lines others have already pointed out above.
Do we delete it because she has body dysmorphia? Well, if we do, what about the other thousands of women pictured here who probably have it?
Do we delete it because she says she has body dysmorphia? Maybe; but if we do, do we also then have to delete all the rest of her images even where the caption doesn't say so? What if a woman makes a one-off post on social media saying she has body dysmorphia, is that now grounds for deleting all her content on here?
Do we delete it because we think she's physically unhealthy? Maybe, but if we do, what about the other women who have too-low bodyfat percentages and are also abusing PEDs? Never mind that physical health is near impossible to judge from pictures alone.
The one legitimate reason I can see for deletion is "not enough visible muscularity", which we often loosely interpret as "not much muscle mass". Unlike the above, this at least we can judge from the pictures alone, and has no implications towards other women's content. With regards to this, I think these particular images are borderline; could go either way.
For now I have rejected the reports.
I recently noticed that this girl has showed up on GWM: https://www.girlswithmuscle.com/images/?name=...
Having dated a girl a long time with body dysmorphia, I realized right away that she looked unhealthy. My suspicions were confirmed with these posts:
Those with body dysmorphia seek outside validation. At what point should we, as a community, not contribute to this?