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I agree with Chainer strongly discouraging political posts on the off-topic sub for one key reason:
Have, in the entire history of your time on any Internet forum or comments section, you ever seen anyone change their minds with regards to political opinions after hearing an argument? We are more likely to see George RR Martin publish The Winds of Winter before you ever seen someone say "huh, I guess you're right, thank you for sharing your argument!" Instead, it constantly devolves into name calling, low effort memes meant to insult others, and constant buzzword after buzzphrase.
Like, why even try?
Yea I have seen people deleting their accounts and leaving just because they found out some users had the wrong politics and the mods didn't want to ban them. some people just can't handle politics and it's hard to tell who they are they seem normal but they freak out when they see some bad opinions. So you got to avoid politics on non political sites or platforms. because it will just become a mess even if most users are open minded some will cause as much trouble as they can.
I agree with Chainer strongly discouraging political posts on the off-topic sub for one key reason:
Have, in the entire history of your time on any Internet forum or comments section, you ever seen anyone change their minds with regards to political opinions after hearing an argument?
I suspect this is not a good-faith argument. Suppose people were able to occasionally convince others to rationally revise their views. It follows that you would support political discussions on this site?
The discourse on Charlie Kirk is absurd. He’s not MLK, nobody is going to remember him five years from now. Imagine getting this upset over the Young Turk guy dying. That’s what this is.
Incorrect.
My thoughts:
In this case, I wasn't a huge fan of the thread but it was a mod starting it so I figured at least the moderation would be taken care of. It was also about a current event that is a big deal, rather than someone randomly deciding to spew some hatred on their political opponents. I didn't keep up with the thread after the first few pages, I didn't even realize it had been locked.
But also:
Mods need to honestly pick a lane on political forum posts.
Well, no, I can just do what I want with political threads on a whim, considering some or all of the above.
The discourse on Charlie Kirk is absurd. He’s not MLK, nobody is going to remember him five years from now. Imagine getting this upset over the Young Turk guy dying. That’s what this is.
That will depend on who is in control of the government 5 years from now and how the media will amplify this over that time period. That said, I never heard of him until he was shot and I consider myself very well informed of current events.
That will depend on who is in control of the government 5 years from now and how the media will amplify this over that time period. That said, I never heard of him until he was shot and I consider myself very well informed of current events.
Right, that's my point: In the scope of things, he's a C-tier political commentator with a cult following. Which there's nothing wrong with, but people are treating like one of the great tragedies of American History, when the only people who have lost anything upon his death are his wife and children.
Best case scenario, he'll be as well remembered as Joey Buttofuoco is now.
Right, that's my point: In the scope of things, he's a C-tier political commentator with a cult following. Which there's nothing wrong with, but people are treating like one of the great tragedies of American History, when the only people who have lost anything upon his death are his wife and children.
Best case scenario, he'll be as well remembered as Joey Buttofuoco is now.
Maybe you underestimate his following. And misunderstand it.
Maybe you underestimate his following. And misunderstand it.
Right now, maybe. Long term, he hasn't done anything of enough substance to have any staying power.
That's why I use Buttofuoco as a comparison. 30 years ago, everyone knew who he was. Now, half of people you ask will think you just made up a funny sounding name.
Right now, maybe. Long term, he hasn't done anything of enough substance to have any staying power.
That's why I use Buttofuoco as a comparison. 30 years ago, everyone knew who he was. Now, half of people you ask will think you just made up a funny sounding name.
Yeah, no.
We, the right, will make sure this incident isn't swept under the rug, like you're clearly wishing for.
In the end, those who wanted the thread locked in the first place got what they wanted by poking and prodding. It was in the Off-Topic section, no one needs to take part in the discussion if they don't want to, and anyone who regrets doing so can unsubscribe.
Gatsby28:
Have, in the entire history of your time on any Internet forum or comments section, you ever seen anyone change their minds with regards to political opinions after hearing an argument?
Even if that never happened, it's not about changing one's mind immediately. Some things might stick, and it adds up. Besides, some misinformation gets to be cleared up, if not for the persons who intentionally posted it, then at least for those who might read it.
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His only legacy five years from now will be his widowed single mother and his two children. So roughly the equivalent of what I'll leave behind, and nobody knows who I am.
There's a pretty wide gulf between Buttafucco and MLK. You downplay and underestimate out of sheer political bias, if you can't even conceive that Kirk could fit between the two and closer to the latter.
He's not that important. He'll be quickly replaced and forgotten.
are you trying to convince us or yourself?
as someone who loves political discussion even more than jacked ladies i admired this site for the relative hands-off approach to the discussions, with an audience that cuts pretty close as a co-hort/representation to societal divisions wrt to ideology. Unheard of really, in this day and age of heavy censorship , shadow bans, and limited hangouts dividing Western populations into echo chambers where they become more galvanized etc. But as I found first hand, now even here you must watch what you say, if it appears anyone might take offense you will be banned from looking at Tefani Sam-Rahzi's glutes for a week.
The ridiculousness of trying to spin the assassin as a Trump supporter or right winger is quite hilarious, until you realize the left and its media, education, and government apparatus is leaning heavily into that narrative. It is absurd on its face but we will see if they can pull it off.
Kirk seemed to be actually trying to communicate a message of pro-Western values in the belly of the most propagandized and brainwashed population (next to baby boomers), American college students. I never paid much attention to his campus open-style debates but since his death I have been pulling up vids here and there and you can tell he was listening, concentrating and actually engaging with the students in good faith.
The event itself, and the social media reaction to it has opened a lot of eyes to what Western civilization is facing here. I don't think it will be forgotten in a few days, however, as I'm sure many would hope.
Anyone who makes this a partisan issue disgusts me.
It's telling that this murder has made people more divided instead of condemning all political violence and seeking a path towards unity. This is why America will fall.
But carry on with your finger pointing divisive language. You're all part of the problem.
are you trying to convince us or yourself?
as someone who loves political discussion even more than jacked ladies i admired this site for the relative hands-off approach to the discussions, with an audience that cuts pretty close as a co-hort/representation to societal divisions wrt to ideology. Unheard of really, in this day and age of heavy censorship , shadow bans, and limited hangouts dividing Western populations into echo chambers where they become more galvanized etc. But as I found first hand, now even here you must watch what you say, if it appears anyone might take offense you will be banned from looking at Tefani Sam-Rahzi's glutes for a week.
The ridiculousness of trying to spin the assassin as a Trump supporter or right winger is quite hilarious, until you realize the left and its media, education, and government apparatus is leaning heavily into that narrative. It is absurd on its face but we will see if they can pull it off.
Kirk seemed to be actually trying to communicate a message of pro-Western values in the belly of the most propagandized and brainwashed population (next to baby boomers), American college students. I never paid much attention to his campus open-style debates but since his death I have been pulling up vids here and there and you can tell he was listening, concentrating and actually engaging with the students in good faith.
The event itself, and the social media reaction to it has opened a lot of eyes to what Western civilization is facing here. I don't think it will be forgotten in a few days, however, as I'm sure many would hope.
Ok but can you describe what western values are? Like which ones? And i mean really describe them without being vague on your points. I have never understood what that meant when it was brought up
If half the time you lock forum chats because they are “too political” for the site… Why on earth would you post something about Charlie Kirk just to then lock the forum post a few days later especially when new evidence and discussion about the suspect can be had? (Evidence points that the suspect could be tied to alt-right figure Nick Fuentes and the Groypers)
This was a misfire on the mods to stir up users with no real direction towards a fruitful discussion. Pick a lane, if you’re going to post something on the forum about a major event and the politics behind it you shouldn’t just lock it because you’re bored of it. Also, why would you make a forum post if you “don’t know who Charlie Kirk is..” if you can’t facilitate a discussion about who he was and what his speaking points are why even bother? Google is free.