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Do you think these women are natural? (246 total votes)
Personal opinion? Yes. All natty.
Reality? Difficult to say.
Desi Johnson does the same sport I did and at the same level.
IBSF was WADA, think it has changed now but she is highly likely natural.
The other ladies...? No idea. But I personally think natural.
I think Aline and Desi are natural, which is funny because Desi is the biggest lady on that list. Its just that she competes in Olympic sports and those drug testers are strict. So unless she staggers her cycles and her competitions like an expert, I think she's drug free. As for Aline, she's really strong for her size, but not unnaturally lean or unnaturally big. It is hard to tell about the other two, but they very well could be natural.
None have the usual markers of enhancement as far as I can tell, though it would be almost impossible to say if they just started. I typically judge from the jawline, voice, 3D delts or developed traps.
They all look natural to me.
I would add Lily to this list. Her breasts might be fake but I can't imagine she's on gear.
LBF is definitely natty. I met her in-person and she is much smaller than her pictures show. She is a master of angles and lighting.
Molly is also probably natty. If I remember correctly she had an episode where she talked about the "muscle mommy" phenomena with another bodybuilder, and she mentioned that she was natty. While I usually don't take statements like that at face value, the way she said it and the context behind it made me believe her.
I am not sure about Aline, but if I were to say that if at least one of those four women use PEDs, my money would be on Desi.
LBF is definitely natty. I met her in-person and she is much smaller than her pictures show. She is a master of angles and lighting.
Not sure what you mean, but she actually looks pretty small to me
Molly is also probably natty. If I remember correctly she had an episode where she talked about the "muscle mommy" phenomena with another bodybuilder, and she mentioned that she was natty. While I usually don't take statements like that at face value, the way she said it and the context behind it made me believe her.
I've followed her online for years now, and her physique has always been pretty consistent. She clearly works at it, but certainly achievable natty. So even if it comes out that she gets some "extra help" (which I doubt), it's small enough to not have made a huge difference.
I think they probably are. It's possible some of them mess with a little Anavar to harden up, but I'd be surprised if there was anything more than that.
But I don't engage in speculating about this shit. It's one of my pet peeves actually. When dudes absolutely insist this one or that one is on PEDs. Unless you're holding their drug test in your hands, you don't fucking know, so don't act like you do. You guys know who you are.
Unless it's a girl who's got male pattern baldness, rough skin, var clit and like 2 or 3 other signs, I don't assume anything. I've seen women who used PEDs and looked like the didn't and I've seen girls too young to post on this site who were jacked and I knew for a fact were natural. Genetics vary WILDLY. Dedication to training and diet too.
This is a USELESS thing to speculate about and it's lame AF, especially when insecure dudes get on social media and accuse women of being on gear.
It's right up towards the top of my list of things I hate in this area, right under the creepy weirdos who ask every girl if they can throat lift them or throw them through the ceiling.
Really, who cares? I don't. If they are not natty, what about the men? Are 300+ lb teen age college football players natty? If you think so, you are nuts as those who think that the women are.
Does the fact that someone has a Physique that is enhanced by anything other than food and training effect your visual attraction to any of them? Probably not.
Is the intensity, duration, or satisfaction of your orgasm when using them for your own purpose impacted by their PED use? I'll wager the answer here for all of you is "no."
If you were on a dinner date with any of them, and somehow it came up in conversation they were taking a whole pile of drugs, are you gonna throw your drink in her face with moral superiority? I'll bet you still gonna try your absolute damnest to get your hands and mouth and dick all over her smoking body at the end of the night.
So then I guess my question to this and the endless number of threads polls regarding "natty or not" is who cares? I feel like there dozens of YouTube personalities who make their whole podcast about nothing more than attacking fake natties. While speculation can be sorta fun, I still shake my head and wonder to myself - why don't people ever get sick of talking about this topic? Is it just because we are horned up, want to talk about hot jacked girls, and this is just an easy way to strike a conversation? I think, as a community, we can do better.
Also need to watch how hard it is for ur average girl to get as visible muscle as the girls here.
This is the part that SO many guys don't understand. If a woman had zero visible muscle before she got into training and fitness then chances are she's taking something to even get noticed on this site. If a woman already looked like she worked out when she didn't even know how to lift a weight, those are the ones who could be 'natty'. They probably won't be natty either, but still.
So then I guess my question to this and the endless number of threads polls regarding "natty or not" is who cares?
I realize there are many who do not care at all, and that's fine. This thread is for those who do. I myself have a casual interest in this hot button issue, but them taking PED's doesn't affect whether I'm attracted to someone or not.
To be honest, most of my knowledge of this stuff comes from GWM and threads like this. And yes, I realize this isn't the greatest source for this kind of info, but I do feel like without these threads I would still think it's at least plausible that DLB is natty, mostly because I like to believe that people are inherently good and wouldn't lie about themselves to make a living (boy, was I wrong). I personally can't stand dishonesty, so for me the turn-off comes not from them taking PED's, but from lying about it. Yeah, I know, it's a necessary evil if they want to keep their sponsors, but to me that's like selling your integrity for a few extra dollars.
I realize there are many who do not care at all, and that's fine. This thread is for those who do. I myself have a casual interest in this hot button issue, but them taking PED's doesn't affect whether I'm attracted to someone or not.
To be honest, most of my knowledge of this stuff comes from GWM and threads like this. And yes, I realize this isn't the greatest source for this kind of info, but I do feel like without these threads I would still think it's at least plausible that DLB is natty, mostly because I like to believe that people are inherently good and wouldn't lie about themselves to make a living (boy, was I wrong). I personally can't stand dishonesty, so for me the turn-off comes not from them taking PED's, but from lying about it. Yeah, I know, it's a necessary evil if they want to keep their sponsors, but to me that's like selling your integrity for a few extra dollars.
While yes, it is annoying to see clearly-enhanced athletes/influencers/bodybuilders who never shut up about being "natty" (and especially those who use that to grift bullshit to a gullible audience like Liver King,) we live in a society where there really are no incentives to be honest about stuff like this. For starters, admitting to doing something that is illegal in many jurisdictions isn't smart. And the narrative has been so skewed to view steroid use as "cheating," or to point an athlete that uses them as "lazy and not willing to put in the work," that why would you want that stigma attached to you and lose out on the very thing that you have that makes you a living (like athletes with endorsement deals.) The fact is that the top bodybuilders and strength athletes who use them are also still working very hard (given that PEDs help with recovery it also gives them the ability to train longer and harder). You can't be a natural athlete and "beat" an enhanced athlete by working harder because trying to keep up with them will at best make you regress in your abilities due to overtraining, and at worst result in injury that takes you out of the weight room and competition stage.
It helps to not look at it as a moral issue because, while there are exceptions like extreme lying for profit or using them in a competition that is clearly only for natty competitors (like natural bodybuilding feds), PED use is part of the game and the reality of modern-day sport. And in terms of "selling integrity for a few extra dollars," that is something that many, many people do on a daily basis that comes from being in the workforce. You think every corporate worker believes in their company's mission? We work so that we can give us a lifestyle that we can enjoy.
I dunno. To me, I try not to attach narratives or moral judgements behind PED users (with some exceptions of course.) And as a lifter myself, it helps me feel better about my own accomplishments and not dwell on comparing myself to enhanced lifters.
I'm going to list a few popular women on this site. I've chosen them because they are the least muscular models (both in terms of muscle size and leanness, at least when compared to the others) who are in the most subscribed list.
This isn't meant to be a "gotcha" question. It's meant to bring up more awareness and I also think it would be interesting to know what the average user thinks about it.
You can list other women you think could be natural in the comments below. Or you could educate us on why or why not you believe one or more of the following women are natural.
Aline Dessine
Desi Johnson
Patty (leanbeefpatty)
Molly Stewart