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I'm not a religious person and I have no beliefs. I believe above all in character and I think that character is independent of religion or other cultural and religious choices. But I respect people's choices as individuals. As a practical person, I believe that you can be a Christian and have only fans, just as you can be an atheist and have only fans. We are complex, contradictory and unique individuals. If I remember correctly, Jesus welcomed Mary Magdalene, right? And all those who sinned and redeemed themselves at the last minute... Anyway, it's not my belief, but I believe above all in human uniqueness and the independent character of the individual. I also think that if Christians judge those who have only fans and restrict their adherence to their religion, they should also be judged when they look at other people's only fans and nudes. This is called hypocrisy After all, Jesus judges everyone equally, right? Kisses and good night to all ❤️
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I'm not a religious person and I have no beliefs. I believe above all in character and I think that character is independent of religion or other cultural and religious choices. But I respect people's choices as individuals. As a practical person, I believe that you can be a Christian and have only fans, just as you can be an atheist and have only fans. We are complex, contradictory and unique individuals. If I remember correctly, Jesus welcomed Mary Magdalene, right? And all those who sinned and redeemed themselves at the last minute... Anyway, it's not my belief, but I believe above all in human uniqueness and the independent character of the individual. I also think that if Christians judge those who have only fans and restrict their adherence to their religion, they should also be judged when they look at other people's only fans and nudes. This is called hypocrisy After all, Jesus judges everyone equally, right? Kisses and good night to all ❤️
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If I remember correctly, Jesus welcomed Mary Magdalene, right?
Setting aside the fact that Mary Magdalene's reputation isn't supported by the canonical gospels, even that misconception portrays her as a repentant prostitute. That's the detail everyone seems to overlook when they make the point you're trying to make (or one of its laissez-faire variations) and which makes all the difference.
I also think that if Christians judge those who have only fans and restrict their adherence to their religion, they should also be judged when they look at other people's only fans and nudes.
They are. You're not making the point you think you're making. The message of "Go and sin no more" is you have sinned, I have judged you, but the accusers, while judging you, had not judged themselves and seen how full of sin they were. The message is "feel free to judge, but make sure you've got your shit together". It never was an imprecation against the act of judging itself - that'd just be dumb and morally relativistic.
No yeah it makes sense that God would be upset about onlyfans.
In the known universe, there are estimated to be around 20 sextillion planets (that's 2 plus 23 zeros).
So he created all of that but he's also really upset when a woman shows her boobs on camera and excites a man who is absolutely hardwired to find it enticing and enjoyable to watch.
Good thing God gave us common sense because this totally makes sense.
Anyway, my beliefs aside, of course there's inconsistency and double standards when it comes to religious folk. That's a feature and not a bug of humanity writ large.
I always assume that I don't have any beliefs (except that I believe in the uniqueness of human beings and their character). I don't have a vast knowledge of the Bible, except from a historical point of view (which I find very interesting). So all this is a fantastic world to me, although I respect other people's faith very much. But from this point of view, Mary was a repentant prostitute (therefore forgiven) and from the same point of view those who repent enter the kingdom of heaven, I see that everyone is forgiven, those who have the "only fans", those who watch, etc. as long as they repent 👀 I find it all very moralistic and punitive. So, personally, I'm not convinced by this logic.. BUT see no contradiction in having a channel or watching a channel like "only". People are diverse, contradictory and no one has the power to dictate anyone's life or prohibit anyone's internal faith or mentality. Kisses to everyone ❤️
@Muscles_Toez
So he created all of that but he's also really upset when a woman shows her boobs on camera and excites a man who is absolutely hardwired to find it enticing and enjoyable to watch.
Reductio ad absurdum can make for cute rhetoric, but a surface-level utilitarian view of things isn't the best point to argue religion and morality from.
@antoniadimedici
I see that everyone is forgiven, those who have the "only fans", those who watch, etc. as long as they repent
You seem to be under the impression that to repent is just to say "oops, my bad, sorry about that, won't happen again, ok?". That's not how it works.
People are diverse, contradictory
They are, yes. Doesn't mean they get to do anything they want or not be held to any standard, moral or otherwise.
I don't think people should rely on religion to tell them what is right and morally acceptable. Religion can be a source of moral values and norms, but morality does not necessarily depend on religion… Morality is a set of rules that exist so that people can live in society But what is morally acceptable? Having character, compassion, not hurting others, cheating, etc. I don't see OF or anything like it as a character flaw. It doesn't stick with me. There are much more corrupt and "sinful" things. It's not my place to judge anyone, and I don't think any religious authority should. That's just my thought. There is a diversity of people that I don't have the authority to put into any reductionist box. And regardless of any action, they can have their religious beliefs. And just a joke, God, Jesus or whatever moral judge you believe in should be more concerned with the greater catastrophes that are happening in the world right now than other people's pleasure...and how they spend their time. Just thinking 💭
@chilleus
Add a few prayers, and thats exactly how it works in catholic church.
You're confusing confession with repentance. One is the admission of guilt, the other is the active process of turning away from sin and towards God.
@antoniadimedici
Morality is a set of rules that exist so that people can live in society
No. Morality is the foundation upon which those rules are built. Now ask yourself where it comes from.
I don't see OF or anything like it as a character flaw. It doesn't stick with me. There are much more corrupt and "sinful" things.
Just because there are worse things, doesn't mean a bad thing isn't bad.
whatever moral judge you believe in should be more concerned with the greater catastrophes that are happening in the world right now than other people's pleasure
You're repeating the same fallacious argument used my Muscles_Toez, above. The fact that there are bigger fish to fry doesn't mean you ignore small issues. Especially when we're talking about an omniscient, omnipresent entity.
None of this is to say that I am a better person than you are, for the record. I don't use OnlyFans and don't pay for access to intimate photos of women, but here I am on a free website that displays often scantily clad females. We are both sinners. The important bit is not to kid or fool ourselves into a rationalization spiral.
I respect religious people and I believe that anyone can be religious. Regardless of any thing and any rules, for me this doesn't work and it's in the world of fantasy and subjectivity. It's difficult to even try to talk, since for me this is illusion, fantasy and not based in reality. There are people who need some authority, s and that's fine with them..I don't think it comes from anywhere... ❤️
Here in Brazil we usually say "deixem as pessoas" which means; let people be what they want, leave them alone, free and happy with their themselves!! Maybe it's something like cool your mind, be at peace... And really, in my world view, those are the rules of morality. And there's nothing that people who think like you, religious or fundamentalist, can do about it... What a shame...Maybe they'll get even angrier and have a nervous breakdown. Which would be unfortunate... Trying to restrict people only leads to trauma and more illegal authority. Let them be!
@chilleus
You talk like an evangelical fundamentalist, one who takes this topic way too serious.
You didn't know what you were talking about and were educated. Learn from it instead of lashing out emotionally.
@antoniadimedici
There are people who need some authority, s and that's fine with them..I don't think it comes from anywhere
We're talking about morality, not authority.
let people be what they want, leave them alone, free and happy with their themselves!!
They're free to do so, provided they live by themselves in the jungle. If they wish to live among others, there are some standards and they will inevitably be judged.
And really, in my world view, those are the rules of morality.
Morality has nothing to do with worldview. Worldview shapes your personal code, like a hitman's - there's nothing moral about it.
And there's nothing that people who think like you, religious or fundamentalist, can do about it...
There's nothing people who think like me need to do. People who think like you always get what they deserve in the end, oftentimes even before it. I'm not telling you these things because you personally offend me, but because I'd rather that doesn't happen to you.
We're talking about morality, not authority.
Morality has nothing to do with worldview. Worldview shapes your personal code, like a hitman's - there's nothing moral about it.
"Morality can be a body of standards or principles derived from a code of conduct from a particular philosophy, religion or culture, or it can derive from a standard that is understood to be universal" Wikipedia sources from Stanford and Cambridge universities.
I think you are confusing morality with integrity. Morality is exactly what people are tortured with in most countries. Just travel around a bit and you will find out how strict morals are in most parts of the world. They differ but they all claim to be universal, a good reason for people to go to war - and that for as long as religions exist. And yes, they are explicitely named as morals.
But I have the guts feeling you only want to have the last word here, without any purpose in it. And I say this with not much of an emotion.
@chilleus
Universal statements of right and wrong go beyond evolution or culture, and necessarily require a higher authority outside ourselves.
a good reason for people to go to war - and that for as long as religions exist
As per the Encyclopedia of Wars, in 5 millennia worth of wars, about 7% were religious in nature. You might want to rethink your assumptions.
But I have the guts feeling you only want to have the last word here
You came into this discussion throwing measly potshots and attempts at insults. Try focusing less on your gut and more on your brain when engaging in dialogue with others.
Good point. Most wars are about land, and gaining the resources of conquered land. It's an old slander, that religion causes "all wars".
Very true. What religion was the Ukraine war caused by? It was about land and access. The Revolution had little to do with religion. It was about land. Civil War was about slavery which is not religious. WWI was not about religion? The wars around Israel between Muslims and non Muslims are about the only wars that have much to do with religion and those also are more about land.
There are people who don't believe that, and I'm one of them. So what you're "preaching" is going to hit and come back. It doesn't work for me. Religion is a cultural phenomenon. But I respect your opinion, which I don't agree with, and I interpret it with my reason, and I leave you free in your subjectivity . That's life. Water and oil don't mix. This system of sin is a purge of a guilt they have instilled . And wars are about power and subjugation ... Religion can be used as a tool for this.
I disagree with that interpretation. But as far as I know, the Bible is an open field. You can interpret it your way. I consider it a “fantasy” issue first, but if you're going to try to express an opinion, my opinion is that you can interpret it as you please.
I disagree with that interpretation. But as far as I know, the Bible is an open field. You can interpret it your way. I consider it a “fantasy” issue first, but if you're going to try to express an opinion, my opinion is that you can interpret it as you please.
Most bible versions are fairly clear cut on main teachings. They interpret some parts differently and even use various bibles. However, most of it is pretty clear cut. There are many very clear laws and one of them is don't have sex outside marriage and another is pertaining to how women present themselves.
We all have broken these laws as humans and ask for God's great mercy. You do have to try to give up the sin as part of that....very clear in Paul's letters and other teachings from Jesus. There seems to be more faith in football players than any group I can think of. I can't think of how many athletes I've seen in the playoffs for College and the NFL talk about "I give thanks to my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ" and then say he is 1st. It has to be more than 10 coaches and players I saw this past 6 weeks. I mean said it on national Tv with the hugest audiences of the year watching.
I get what you are saying about fantasy. I have my own fantasies and put some in the non nude art section that are violent, but I justify them by the fact they are not real people and it is art or fantasy. I do know deep down it is a sin though not acted out. I'm trying to reduce my feeling on it, but is has been with me for so long...the fantasy of lopsided female fights....since I was a kid....a long time ago.
No judgement.....just saying I disagree that one is able to interpret the bible "as you please." That is wrong. Just that part....nothing else. You are a nice woman and God loves you. No judgement. You are not breaking any laws in Brazil or the US. People do war worse things.
Jesus was very critical of the religious leaders of his time and talked often of them not making the cut for Heaven because they judged and stuck strictly to the laws of the Jewish religion. They judged others as falling short and needing to be avoided. Jesus hung out with sinners who converted over time.
I'm not a religious person and I have no beliefs. I believe above all in character and I think that character is independent of religion or other cultural and religious choices. But I respect people's choices as individuals. As a practical person, I believe that you can be a Christian and have only fans, just as you can be an atheist and have only fans. We are complex, contradictory and unique individuals. If I remember correctly, Jesus welcomed Mary Magdalene, right? And all those who sinned and redeemed themselves at the last minute... Anyway, it's not my belief, but I believe above all in human uniqueness and the independent character of the individual. I also think that if Christians judge those who have only fans and restrict their adherence to their religion, they should also be judged when they look at other people's only fans and nudes. This is called hypocrisy After all, Jesus judges everyone equally, right? Kisses and good night to all ❤️