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How big can a steroid free fbb be?

vr4
Aug 27, 2021 - permalink

Firsthand information, my friend Stacy is steroid free. I have known her for awhile.

Proper nutrition and gym is her lifestyle for long time. She lives like a nun, gym is her monastery. She is not interested in showing off or compete. Her friends like me and others are pushing her to document her achievements. I think her muscles are extremely dense and she is extremely strong compared to many fbbs. I think it is impressive that she stays around 70kg at 172cm while having small bones.

She does look like a steroid free body.. Usually I can tell by the delts

fp909
Aug 27, 2021 - permalink

Stacy is incredibly impressive. I’ve been following her for a while

Aug 27, 2021 - edited Aug 27, 2021 - permalink

Maybe like this i think steroids did even not exist in her time.

Yes, I met some circus freak girl, kind of hippie, a friend of a girlfriend of mine. Well just from her circus routines she had not such big mass but when she flexed there was hard tennis ball bicep. She also was kind of hippie so I don't think she took anything.

Also when I started dating this girlfriend (I just remember), she used to mess around with this friend of hers, and she even have some pretty abs on display (she then kind of quickly lost them as she stop exercising).

Aug 28, 2021 - permalink

Steroids wasn't available in those days.

Aug 28, 2021 - permalink

Firsthand information, my friend Stacy is steroid free. I have known her for awhile.

Proper nutrition and gym is her lifestyle for long time. She lives like a nun, gym is her monastery. She is not interested in showing off or compete. Her friends like me and others are pushing her to document her achievements. I think her muscles are extremely dense and she is extremely strong compared to many fbbs. I think it is impressive that she stays around 70kg at 172cm while having small bones.

You're delusional.

"Your friend" is not natty by any stretch of the imagination.

Aug 28, 2021 - permalink

If you guys believe she is natural you have no clue whatsoever about bodybuilding.

Aug 28, 2021 - permalink

She likely used creatine.

Aug 28, 2021 - permalink

> > > I think Ida is natural. She has pretty big muscles and thickness but she has soft contours and lacks that thin skinned spider vein look. Also she has a beautiful feminine face and smile. Depending on genetics, hard work and good diet, women can achieve this level of muscularity naturally.

No. She’s absolutely on something. Nothing super intense but definitely something. Jessica Gunian is probably natural especially since she hasn’t really grown much in a while. She seems to have a nice, athletic base them keeps working on it little by little. She’s basically the same body type as my wife who’s definitely never taken anything. My wife has bigger legs but that’s just genetic. Just about everyone on this site is on something. Obviously a few outliers but most are.

Ida was, but isn't now. On her earliest 3 pages at this site, she used to be unnaturally lean and veiny. https://www.girlswithmuscle.com/images/10/?n... But since then perhaps she realized the terrible consequences if she was to continue. So she hasn't been on anything ever since. Otherwise she couldn't look feminine now anyway.

Aug 28, 2021 - permalink

We can see she was beginning to endure some hairloss at this time. Good choice she ended this.

Aug 29, 2021 - edited Aug 29, 2021 - permalink

If you guys believe she is natural you have no clue whatsoever about bodybuilding.

Agreed with you and superiorgenetics, absolutely 0% chance she's natty. It would be hard for even a dude to naturally achieve that level of leaness and muscularity without years of proper lifting and nutrition (and even then it's difficult), let alone a female. Some people have such a warped view of what's naturally attainable on this site.

Aug 29, 2021 - edited Aug 29, 2021 - permalink

Agreed with you and superiorgenetics, absolutely 0% chance she's natty. It would be hard for even a dude to naturally achieve that level of leaness and muscularity without years of proper lifting and nutrition (and even then it's difficult), let alone a female. Some people have such a warped view of what's naturally attainable on this site.

Spot on.

When in doubt, people need to ask themselves, "could a man who suffers from low testosterone achieve that physique naturally?" If the answer is no, then there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that any woman could. People just need to stop and look at the extent of the disparity between healthy levels of testosterone in men and women and they'd understand. Like you said, even if their test levels were normal, it'd be hard for the majority of guys to achieve that physique.

Stacey looks great, I'm sure she has an insane work ethic. That doesn't change the fact that she's using serious dosages of PEDs to achieve that physique. Like, come on, she isn't even remotely close to being a borderline case. Some people here are nuts.

Aug 29, 2021 - permalink

Some people here are nuts.

That may be a bit unfair. I think many fans who aren't bodybuilders themselves just don't know any better.. and it's made worse by the ridiculously large number of athletes who claim natural.

Aug 29, 2021 - permalink

The voice depth is the clue, also body odor. Roided FBB can have feminine voice.

1000000000000000%

Aug 29, 2021 - permalink

What do you think of Fan Xiaofan ? This level of muscularity looks pretty natural to me.

Aug 29, 2021 - permalink

Spot on.

When in doubt, people need to ask themselves, "could a man who suffers from low testosterone achieve that physique naturally?" If the answer is no, then there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that any woman could. People just need to stop and look at the extent of the disparity between healthy levels of testosterone in men and women and they'd understand. Like you said, even if their test levels were normal, it'd be hard for the majority of guys to achieve that physique.

Stacey looks great, I'm sure she has an insane work ethic. That doesn't change the fact that she's using serious dosages of PEDs to achieve that physique. Like, come on, she isn't even remotely close to being a borderline case. Some people here are nuts.

Totally agreed. I think looking at truly natural male bodybuilders is instructional, and will put a lot of FBB's in perspective. Stacy has leaner and harder conditioning than most of those guys, and this would never be possible in a million years.

I honestly don't give it any mind. Steroids are a feature of bodybuilding, not a bug. At this point, it's part of the required "equipment" of this sport.. just like a helmet is for football. Any serious bodybuilder - male or female - simply cannot compete without them. Knowing and mastering your drug regimen is a major factor for success.

There's no shame in it. I wish that these drugs were totally legalized so everyone could access and use them more safely.

Aug 29, 2021 - permalink

What do you think of Fan Xiaofan ? This level of muscularity looks pretty natural to me.

She might be, then again a friend of mine who most people would consider tiny, 5' 100-110lb but fairly lean, has used anavar a couple of times over the years.

Aug 29, 2021 - permalink

Perhaps some of these gals have found ways to naturally increase their testosterone levels.

cgsweat
Aug 29, 2021 - permalink

She might be, then again a friend of mine who most people would consider tiny, 5' 100-110lb but fairly lean, has used anavar a couple of times over the years.

That's what many users here don't seem to understand. If they are on steroids it does not mean they're automatically taking the maximum amount their body can possibly handle.

The vast majority of women have roughly 10% of testosterone naturally being produced in their body as men do, and sometimes that disparity is closer to only 5%. There are women who are genetically gifted with higher levels, and they are likely the ones being referenced with impressive physiques while claiming to be natural. However they could still be dosing in small amounts, to give them a little boost in muscle mass while maintaining most of their femininity. And yes there are alternatives to anavar, etc. such as SARMS which have recently become more popular.

I would say that, assuming Stacey (pictured above) is as natural as is claimed, she would be the peak. Meaning the absolute top .00001% of expectations. Most women will plateau much smaller than her though, if they are 100% natural.

Aug 29, 2021 - permalink

Well, even the guys can't build much muscle mass naturally.

vr4
Aug 30, 2021 - permalink
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Aug 30, 2021 - permalink

Well, even the guys can't build much muscle mass naturally.

Sure they can, there's plenty of really muscular guys who are entirely natural. The issue is being massive AND lean. And building that huge V-shape that's such a part of bodybuilding. As a rule, steroids spur extensive growth in the delts, lats, and traps because those muscles have more androgen receptors. A user will always have superior development in those particular muscles and they're considered crucial in any kind of judging.

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