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Chainer
May 27, 2024 - permalink

Will the ability to add tags after uploading the image be mandatory?

I would think no, since that might just get people to do a poor job of adding tags since they just want to get past it. Also then that page would have to be redesigned such that navigating away from it without filling it out gets your uploads deleted.

The character limit of 15 is going to be awkward since currently, there is a tags with 16 chars: "overall physique" (though I am making no claim how useful that tag actually is).

Good point, it should probably be more like 20-25.

What characters will be allowed in tags? Model names allow some Non-ASCII characters (I think?), but I think tag names could be stricter, maybe just English letters and spaces.

Yeah I was thinking this as well, maybe a-z, plus dashes, spaces, and apostrophes. Notably, no commas.

Reporting tags (as well as finding the rules for them) should be easy, ideally directly from an image that has a tag. (Since at the start, there will most likely be a lot of undesirable tags)

Yeah, or from the search results page for a tag, once you click on it. I suppose if someone just reports the image itself, mentioning the tag, that would work well enough to get our attention.

Is there going to be a site that lists all the tabs with a filter, and sorting like the current models page? Otherwise, it'll be difficult to stick to common variants of a tag even if you want to do so.

Could be although honestly I'm running low on space in the top bar. The autocomplete when you're entering a tag should help with finding an existing tag.

If a tag is merged, does a user who wants to use the "losing" tag see what it was merged into or just that it isn't available?

I was thinking this would work the same way it does for models, the person enters the merged tag and then it automatically changes to the one it was merged into when they save.

Is there going to be a restriction on who can create new tags (similar to the way Stack Exchange is set up)?

I'm not sure what the restrictions on Stack Exchange are. We could restrict it to accounts that fit certain criteria (like the age of the account). However we haven't restricted who can enter model names and that's been OK so far. We have a script that can revert vandalism easily, as well as another script that scans for vandalism.

May 28, 2024 - permalink

Just a thought, but what about a class of tag with "=" at the end that would allow some free text to be added after it? The most obvious would be insta= and tiktok=. That would save a lot of comments asking for them.

May 28, 2024 - permalink

Just a thought

I'm not sure if tags are the best way to do it. There's a summary for each model at the top of their page, but seems like it's statistical data generated on the go.

If the site ever displayed height, last known weight, ethnicity, nationality, date of birth, maiden name and such, that's the place it should go. The problem is duplicate names and misidentified pictures and possibly privacy issues, so people should add such data only when it's obvious that it's correct and public.

I wonder if comments asking for names or social media accounts, after a name has clearly been posted, should be either removed by moderators on sight, reported by other users as a rule, or removed by the users constantly making them.

There are ups and downs to making that info a tag for an individual picture. But almost the same effect can be had by simply posting it in the comments. With the added bonus of making it searchable.

May 28, 2024 - permalink

The comments are searchable right now. I think users are trained to use tags, but the comments are potentially a rich source of data.

Chainer
5 days ago - permalink

Progress update: I changed the tag input to be freeform like the model name input:

I also made a list page for tags, just like the existing one for users and models:

The image counts are a bit out of date because my local instance of GWM that I test on is using data from many months ago. That said, I was surprised to see delts beating out biceps as the most used tag.

There's still quite a bit of work left to do, including all the logic about renaming/merging/deleting tags.

4 days ago - permalink

This is super cool. Interested to see how it settles into production.

tamarok
4 days ago - permalink

One thing that could be interesting is adding an element of the existing system, so while we do have the free-form field, it would be coupled with a "quick tags" option. This would allow a user to select from a list of popular or "promoted" tags, or possibly even tuned to the tags the user specifies the most often.

On touch screen devices, less typing is often better.

cgsweat
4 days ago - permalink

One thing that could be interesting is adding an element of the existing system, so while we do have the free-form field, it would be coupled with a "quick tags" option. This would allow a user to select from a list of popular or "promoted" tags, or possibly even tuned to the tags the user specifies the most often.

On touch screen devices, less typing is often better.

I could see auto-fill being useful here (similar to the autofill used when searching models), and the generated list could be sorted from most popular to least.

Chainer
4 days ago - permalink

It does indeed have autofill.

4 days ago - permalink

It's looking promising

4 days ago - permalink

How about a Mature, or Old Lady tag?

4 days ago - permalink

We need a FEET tag!!!

4 days ago - permalink

I want tags for certain positions like sitting cross legged

3 days ago - permalink

How about a Mature, or Old Lady tag?

How about an IQ test to use the feature? I think it has already been explained here that freeform adding of tags is in the plan.

Why do people say anything and expect others to read what they're saying if they don't care to read or understand what anyone else has said?

Having said that, if people are as lazy and low effort in adding tags as in writing comments and forum messages, I probably don't need to wait for long for the flood of misspelled body parts, sports and plain opinions. So how about a sexxy tag? Or a curvacueous tag? Or a tall tag and nobody agreeing on what is tall. Or a 6 feet tag that is simply misused as a tall tag?

I think the biggest problem will always be users who are so stupid they don't know they're stupid. That is, some rule or some system exists, but they have no idea they should stop for a second to figure it out. Or no idea that words literally mean something, such as that 5 foot 11 inches is not six feet. They just blurt out whatever comes to mind and always react to their first impression. Not because they feel entitled or hunger for attention, but because that's the only thing they know to do.

There are four solutions I can imagine of. First is to create a barrier to entry or a role that can be given or revoked, either manually or automatically, by trusted users or given on request and revoked after some mysterious crowdsourced automated vote, for example if the person's tags constantly get corrected or removed. Second is to have trusted users clean up after them. Third is to crowdsource the cleaning effort. This has the added danger of nitwits cleaning up after other nitwits and causing an even bigger mess. Fourth is to somehow manage to automate the clean-up.

We need a FEET tag!!!

How about boobs or milf tag? No. I'm seriously trying to say that maybe the tag system should avoid or even blacklist tags that are known names for categories of porn? The same blacklisting functionality could maybe used to avoid other tasteless and misspelled tags too. Also prefer names of muscles to names of body parts. Calves and quads are not known categories of porn. Feet are. I'll let someone else decide about butts.

3 days ago - permalink

sigh....Your regular reminder ..quote from Chainer

NOTE: This thread is not for new tag suggestions!

3 days ago - permalink

I know this is personal and subjective, but should we add the term 'cute' in the list of tags.

Muscle + cute is what I like.

3 days ago - permalink

I know this is personal and subjective

I too would like a cute tag. But if people can't agree on what is six feet then I wouldn't expect too much.

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