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hbplus
Sep 18, 2019 - permalink
...EVERYTHING!  ;)  The other thread title was a bit sad, so I hope the Management will indulge us a bit here.

We're shooting more content than ever before in our ongoing efforts to deliver the greatest product and value of any female muscle fan site in the world. The production team just wrapped up 2  straight weeks of shooting - with the Rising Phoenix and Olympia being back-to-back - and the editors already have that material in hand. And look at the volume Premium subscribers are getting now - 8 model updates (so far) today, 9 yesterday, and 15 the day before that. It's safe to say we are tackling head on the most common complaint - lack of updates - of the past 2-3 years. Over 2 months since launch, we haven't missed a day yet and a high percentage of the more than 2000 video clips and 17000 photos is free.  Visitors can sign up for a free membership and will have access to almost all the photos and tons of videos. Original content for free on a member site?!  Who ever heard of such? A viewer no longer has to commit to the whole apple when all he wants is a bite.

At any rate, it's 4am and I've rambled on long enough, but we want everyone to know how much we truly appreciate the support you've given us over the past 17 years (or 20, depending on where you start the clock!), motivating and inspiring us to strive for 17 more. I hope you'll stop by soon and please, keep the feedback coming.
M76
Oct 12, 2019 - permalink
...Never

FTFY

I'll never forgive you for simply deleting one of the still remaining active forums about female muscle.

The site just gives off a bad vibe, with the webcam stuff mixed in it feels cheap.  Well if I'm being honest your videos always felt kind of cheap, but we accepted the low quality for the price and quantity.

Talking about price please don't try to do both vod and membership at the same time, it makes it seem like you want people to pay twice. Either, or and not both.

And it is not necessary to do 15 updates a day, I'd rather you did one big update every week, or twice a week max and not chop up shoots into a trillion tiny fragments.

And why are you padding updates with old videos if you have as many shoots as you claim?  Some of the supposed updates are videos I think I saw many years ago.

And finally, this is just my personal preference, but I avoid any videos where the models are in full tan, and unfortunately 99% of your videos are like that. That was a big beef of mine with herbiceps content even before this makeover.

I wish you another 17 years, but without radical change I doubt I'll be joining you any time soon.
scandinavian
Oct 15, 2019 - permalink
Although I do not agree with m76 on the video quality, I do agree on the forum comment. You did create a better forum alternative to thevalkyrie, from back in the days, and I thank you for that! But your platform became ours too with time. You don't have to respect or accept that, but from a user perspective, what you did was a dick move, that disregarded the importance of quality stories, a place to meet other with the same fetish, and even old friendships. I know your reply is, that it was a necessary move. But you could have done a ton of moves instead of just letting it die, without any warning.

You've lost a customer here too, at least for a good while.
hbplus
Oct 17, 2019 - permalink
Although I do not agree with m76 on the video quality, I do agree on the forum comment. You did create a better forum alternative to thevalkyrie, from back in the days, and I thank you for that! But your platform became ours too with time. You don't have to respect or accept that, but from a user perspective, what you did was a dick move, that disregarded the importance of quality stories, a place to meet other with the same fetish, and even old friendships. I know your reply is, that it was a necessary move. But you could have done a ton of moves instead of just letting it die, without any warning.

You've lost a customer here too, at least for a good while.

It has been interesting to hear how much so many people enjoyed the forum. I get that people - even those who have been with us the longest - can't understand the rationale for the ultimate decision here, and I also get that you don't care about the thought process.  I hate making excuses and to me, explanations always sound like excuses.  I'm not sure how closely you followed the forum, but over the past few years, the majority of feedback we were receiving was about the lack of content updates. Based on the data we were receiving, as soon as we had a ready-to-launch platform, we HAD to go with it and we had to be all-in.

We definitely appreciate all feedback and if a solution does come along that can provide those missing elements you have outlined above and it's something that can be effectively and smoothly integrated, we are open to potentially creating a new forum. We want people present and engaging, so hopefully you will come back sooner rather than later and keep letting us know your thoughts.
Oct 21, 2019 - permalink
" Based on the data we were receiving, as soon as we had a ready-to-launch platform, we HAD to go with it and we had to be all-in." But I sorrowfully have to say you did not  launch a complete platform. By dropping the forums you simply skipped a , for many members, integral  part.  The "it did not fit" just doesn't sound right. You guys have brought us the best product for quite awhile( IMHO). The skills sets you brought to the table, filming, interview, editing, and computer skills were and are all top notch. That is why the glaring omission of a major section of the site is causing such an issue. it is a bit hard to swallow that there was no way to carry over the forums, even if was just a restart ( you have done this before). I will not be so drastic as to swear off your site and never be back. I'm a realist, I still like what you are doing and will keep an eye on the site. I just feel let down that with all your history of great services, you dropped a solid connection to your clients.
hbplus
Oct 23, 2019 - permalink
I'll never forgive you for simply deleting one of the still remaining active forums about female muscle.

The site just gives off a bad vibe, with the webcam stuff mixed in it feels cheap.  Well if I'm being honest your videos always felt kind of cheap, but we accepted the low quality for the price and quantity.

Talking about price please don't try to do both vod and membership at the same time, it makes it seem like you want people to pay twice. Either, or and not both.

And it is not necessary to do 15 updates a day, I'd rather you did one big update every week, or twice a week max and not chop up shoots into a trillion tiny fragments.

And why are you padding updates with old videos if you have as many shoots as you claim?  Some of the supposed updates are videos I think I saw many years ago.

And finally, this is just my personal preference, but I avoid any videos where the models are in full tan, and unfortunately 99% of your videos are like that. That was a big beef of mine with herbiceps content even before this makeover.

I wish you another 17 years, but without radical change I doubt I'll be joining you any time soon.

I appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts with us. We understand that not everyone is able to separate the two very different sides of our operation and we have always understood that webcam isn't for everyone. And even among content-only clients, some only want one-price member site material, while others want that, plus VOD.  We want to meet every potential customer where they are ready to engage and we hope they'll feel they got good value. A visitor can enjoy the main model site for free or they can buy a membership or they can just buy VODs.

I've looked at sample clips from multiple sites this past year and my impressions don't match yours at all.  Sure, back in 2005 and even in 2010, we were producing clips of a much lower quality than we've been shooting the past 5 years.  It goes without saying that you like what you like, but I think our product stacks up very well against the competition. We are always looking to improve and we are always listening to customer feedback on what they'd like to see.

Customers have requested that we revive some of the old content, so we are responding to that demand. We do shoot full-time, so a lot of models are not wearing competition tan. But when we travel to shows, in order to get the best physiques, that's going to mean models with competition tans. It may not be to your liking, but we get more demand for contest/near-contest models than we do for off-season.

I don't know that there are any radical changes on the near horizon, but we hope you will stop in from time-to-time, see what we're up to, and share your thoughts.
hbplus
Oct 29, 2019 - permalink
" Based on the data we were receiving, as soon as we had a ready-to-launch platform, we HAD to go with it and we had to be all-in." But I sorrowfully have to say you did not  launch a complete platform. By dropping the forums you simply skipped a , for many members, integral  part.  The "it did not fit" just doesn't sound right. You guys have brought us the best product for quite awhile( IMHO). The skills sets you brought to the table, filming, interview, editing, and computer skills were and are all top notch. That is why the glaring omission of a major section of the site is causing such an issue. it is a bit hard to swallow that there was no way to carry over the forums, even if was just a restart ( you have done this before). I will not be so drastic as to swear off your site and never be back. I'm a realist, I still like what you are doing and will keep an eye on the site. I just feel let down that with all your history of great services, you dropped a solid connection to your clients.

We appreciate your kind words. If it had been simply a matter of loading up an extra trunk on the trailer and hauling it off to the new house, we could have done that, but unfortunately, that's not the way databases work.  The foundation of the new platform did not support any of the architecture of the old. Could it have continued to exist in a standalone space that we just linked out to? I suppose that's possible, but one of the primary objectives of the upgrade was to bring all the site management to a single, virtual nexus.

If there is a forum product out there that can be integrated into the site and which may add value, we are open to considering it down the road, but for now, we're encouraging users with feedback to email us or to use the direct commenting feature on the videos they like or dislike. We still enjoy the engagement, so hit us with anything that's on your mind. :)
cgsweat
Oct 30, 2019 - permalink
I for one love the new site layout.  And it will be perfect once all the content from the old site is transferred.  It was getting to be frustrating trying to scroll down an endless list of names that stretched back almost 20 years on a plain white background  XD
Nov 03, 2019 - permalink
The long list of data you refer to cgsweat could have been dealt with from the beginning. I'm sure alphabetizing the entries would have been a basic function of programming. But might I note, the entries still, though grouped by type, are still randomly ordered making scrolling through the data base the only way to find a specific lady. Guess the " new, better" platform does not support this either.
stevebob
Nov 20, 2019 - permalink
The new site started out promisingly but has regressed quickly. The content they do put out is still top notch but I've always advocated for more variety. My personal favourite is the pushup contests but really any strength based challenge is good and often highlights a model's strength and competitiveness. Sadly 90% of any strength stuff ends up in expensive VOD's and recently a lot of the content, although still good, has been stuff that was already released towards the tail end of the last site.

I realise it's a popular fetish but I really wish they'd dial back on the male domination aspect and instead focus on the pure feats of the model. They make it out like models only enjoy demonstrating their power if they're doing it at the expense of men, a simple lift and carry is really not that impressive when the guy is only 100lb and some of these girls are absolute athletes. There's so much fun they could have with exercise challenges; how many pushups? How many pullups? How much can they curl? How many reps can they curl? How much can they leg press? How long can they hold a lateral dumbbell raise? Some of this stuff has been done but it's a rarity.

In my eyes the old metal plank and grip strength challenges were a success as they were so spirited. I believe this was because it was often brought up how well other models had done in the challenge, what the average was, what the best score of the day was, what the record was, etc. You would often hear models comment on these things and I believe that this really drove up competitiveness. With all the ongoing "challenges", if you can call them that, there is never any sense of competition. If it was mentioned that the best number of pushups for the day was 60 I can bet you there'd be a few models who would be busting a gut to beat it. But there's never anything of the sort and instead even the most enthusiastic models usually tap out at a nice round number the moment it gets a little tough. Sure, some models might be put off as they know they won't get anywhere that number but some of the truly strong models will know they have it in them to go beyond that count, and that's when you start to get some truly impressive feats.

Don't get me wrong, the site still has quality content. But the update quality has nosedived in recent weeks and to me it's potential to celebrate the beauty and strength of these models is still completely untapped.
Apr 01, 2021 - permalink

Does it still worth joining it in your opinion? It seems lately those guys are kinda obsessed with the humiliation and domination stuff. Not sure if I like it but I guess they know their audience. I guess the webcam website is their main activity now, the HB+ video seems a little slow and boring. Please correct me if you think I'm wrong.

Apr 01, 2021 - permalink

Does it still worth joining it in your opinion?

I haven't been back since shortly after the changeover. All the good stuff is in the VOD section with just regular flexing clips for HB+ members. Personally, I think the clips coming out of muscleangels, femalemusclevideo & awefilms are much better shot & produced.

M76
Apr 01, 2021 - permalink

Even the vod videos are pretty bad imho. I bought just one, but it was enough to make me think twice if I ever want to buy anything else from hb+. The content is just not there. 90% of a 10 minute video is just goofing around, the actual flexing is minimal. I didn't feel like I got my money's worth.

Apr 01, 2021 - edited Apr 01, 2021 - permalink

I like the new layout of HB+. The updates have seemingly slowed down but I just assumed that’s due to COVID. And when I say updates I refer to new content and don’t count reuploaded old content. The assortment of ladies is really good. I have no issues with the VOD asking prices. It’s nowhere near being out of control when compared to OFs.

I do have issues though. Not the biggest fan of the glossy filter used on photos sets. Whereas I am fine with the VOD prices it does prevent me from maintaining a paid membership regardless of the added VOD discount. And I really don’t care for how the VOD are edited. It’s happened more than once when I think I’m buying some specific footage only for it to be a mixture of different things. Basically what I’m saying is even after watching the previews I’m not entirely sure I’m getting what I pay for. I normally spend money with reckless abandon when it’s an FBB I like, but with HB+ I don’t have as much trust as I do with other sites.

Apr 01, 2021 - permalink

When herbiceps.com morphed into herbiceps+...they effectively killed the best female muscle paysite!! I was with them from the very beginning. Not anymore. Eliminating the forum alone, destroyed them. When it becomes all about the money, you can only imagine the results. The sheer joy of getting to work with these remarkable women, would be so satisfying to me, that the profit/bottom line, would be secondary. Thank God for this place.

Apr 01, 2021 - permalink

I'm not renewing when my year's subscription ends. Member videos are usually just a minute long. A large percentage of the content features gals with not very much muscle. And the FBBs they DO feature are almost never in contest shape. I prefer Muscle Angels by a large margin.

Apr 01, 2021 - edited Apr 01, 2021 - permalink

I'm not renewing when my year's subscription ends. Member videos are usually just a minute long. A large percentage of the content features gals with not very much muscle. And the FBBs they DO feature are almost never in contest shape. I prefer Muscle Angels by a large margin.

Couldn't agree more. The people at HB+ are probably fine with their new revamped moneymaker and could care less how we feel. If I had the means, knowledge and people to put a femuscle site online...I'd do everything to satisfy the many men and women who are attracted to muscular women. I'd also make sure that these amazing women were very well compensated. Without them...there is NOTHING!!!!!!

Apr 01, 2021 - edited Apr 01, 2021 - permalink

I can feel ya all guys. Kinda sad cuz I've been a member since the very beginning but yeah things have been changing a lot especially after the plus switch. I can somehow understand removing the forum since they often had to deal with our (most of the time justified) rants, but pretty sure the forum was useful for them to taste the water and feel the members aka customers mood. Right now it seems to me they don't give a F and for what you told it seems the membership area content does not justify the cost. I'm not surprised cuz more or less I had this feeling. I'm also pretty sure that most of their income now come from the HBC stuff so they are not that motivated for the rest of the content. TBH the Covid shit does not help doing business and getting in touch with models, but I'm pretty sure things wouldn't be very different even in the "normal" world. Kinda sad but that's it. So maybe I should try to open another thread about the best alternative websites, but I'll check first if there's an open topic.

Apr 01, 2021 - permalink

Muscleangels, FemaleCityFlex, Fast Twitch Video, HD physiques, KrivsStudio, PremiumPhysiques....all beat the crap out of Herbiceps+. Not sure what's going on with FemaleCityFlex lately. They're just reimagining shoots, nothing new. They have had some incredible women over the years... especially if you're into biceps.

Apr 02, 2021 - permalink

Nice suggestions, thank you :))

Apr 02, 2021 - permalink

The owners is a glorified pimp without the physical beating of the girl... (Probably only because if he tried, the tiny man would undoubtedly end up in traction.) But the way he keeps the women from talking about certain things and banning discussions about topics in the girls room, that he I'm sure deems as a danger to him losing one of "his moneymakers". I've had multiple women tell me this creep pops in unannounced to listen to what's going on because later he'll reprimand and threaten them and/or ban the guy with whom she was chatting about his self-serving taboo topic. I feel bad for the woman who need or what the money so bad and support this creep.

Chainer
Apr 02, 2021 - permalink

I don't know WTF you're talking about muscleflexin and those seem like unfounded accusations.

M76
Apr 02, 2021 - permalink

TBH, all cam sites seem creepy to me even without those accusations. So I avoid them like the plague.

Apr 02, 2021 - permalink

OF is probably helping the exodus from cam too...but I feel like a lot of women are deterred from returning to even shoots beause they find stuff on HBC along like nude Angie Salvagno clips.

Apr 02, 2021 - permalink

I remember the old HB forums from way back in the day. That was one of my first forays into female muscle.

Sad to see what happened to that site.

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