I can't blame women for filling a niche. Capitalism finds a way. Not just in this space, but across the board men are paying for the idea of digital access to women of all ilks. Twitch, Instagram, "Premium" Snapchat, everywhere.
Producing high quality content is not easy. A ring light+iPhone "video shoot" doesn't compare to the photography/cinematography of a Walter Iooss Jr., Sean Nelson, etc.
We vote with our wallets on what get produced. We can support creators who respect both us and their craft, or creators who view us with contempt. Why try harder or do better if "they'll still buy it".
Yeah I've looked on hinge and there are alot of younger girls who go to the gym, most probably wouldn't be muscular enough for this site but look good,
You mean thin athletic looking girls, but they may or may not be slightly muscular?
Yeah I've looked on hinge and there are alot of younger girls who go to the gym, most probably wouldn't be muscular enough for this site but look good, and you run across a few who compete in bikini, maybe figure. Definitely more girls in thier 20's who train seriously than used to
I'd put managers on the list here first. They show up when an account makes critical mass and (likely) promises them better money for less time investment. Someone like Blakelee Ortega was never getting approached because her account was too big enough. Natasha Aughey is too lazy tbh. Gracie exploded and having hundreds requests was probably daunting--I feel like Hunter Henderson finally conceded that as well. This is where you also get the big money grabs with the VIP account scam which, if I'm right, has nothing of value behind that paywall.
Creators who still run or jointly run the account have some blame--they set the price points. Setting a prohibitive sub price is a red flag and I can't believe people don't just check it out once, collect, and leave. Setting low prices and then posting the same stuff that goes on public social feeds doesn't get it done either. Very few it seems figure out how to get the most money for the right effort.
Users aren't much better because whales will pay whatever for what they personally value. Most of them have some kind of sticking point but as OF has taught many of them they all have stories of paying up front and not getting returns or, my personal favorite, asking for something and receiing a locked post and once funds are paid the video is nothing like what was asked for.
idk it's a whole can of worms. there's so many angles to think about it, so many ways that women approach it.
So... Models= Creators? Did you mean Managers running?
No the managers don't run the pages without the models seal of approval. So it's still completely on the models.
And when I say creators I mean the people who own and are responsible for Onlyfans website. The ones you should be able to go to with a complaint for getting scammed out of your money.
Who, by the way, earned every penny of her clothing empire, and the ability to go to Bali every weekend for the lulz, all thanks to working at Dominos for like a month ha
I put the blame primarily on models who have shitty practices and the creators of the platform for not doing enough to enforce it rather than consumers.
OF has exploded since pretty much the start of the pandemic lockdowns, and I think a number of women saw it as a good way to make money without necessarily putting a lot of effort into their content, if not outright not deliberately scam their followers by either not delivering content that's been paid for or delivering content that is completely different from what was requested. Not just that, but it's popularity has made it become too commercialized, which led to models hiring managers to run their pages (which can also lead to managers not understanding and bungling customer requests. At the end of the day, a model is responsible for the content on her page along with the experiences she provides her customers, so the bulk of the blame absolutely lies on them.
Though keep in mind, performers and models screwing over clients is nothing new and isn't exclusively within OF. I remember, when I first got into this kink in the mid aughts of model complaints either on cam sites or though their own sites, and funny enough, I remember reading negative reviews of session wrestlers like Lauren Powers
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But I think OF deserves some blame. They should do more for customer protection, and while it's impossible to constantly monitor every single performer on a 24/7 basis, there should be some recourse for customers to let OF know of models who outright scam customers.
I don't think it's fair to blame customers. I am betting the vast majority of subscribers don't actually go to forums like this to discuss model profiles and if they are worth paying money to. Also, keep in mind that there are GOOD models out there who do put out great content and care about providing their clients with an excellent experience: they just more than likely are lesser-known models who can run their pages without needing managers.
Bad services cease to exist the second people stop supporting them so 99% of the blame must go to the customer for keeping this shit alive.
1% of the blame goes to the creators of the website because the platform itself is not great. It should be their responsibility of ensuring that both parties are protected and being treated fairly, similar to how ebay operates for their buyers and sellers. However, with OF there are virtually no safeguards in place for the consumer.
the list only has most subscribed for people that choose to use the function so youd think it was skewed in the opposite direction since there are many more users than people subscribed to any of these women.
once again lacking reading comprehension, no one is criticizing her for calling out "woke" because she's not calling out anything. she's posting about being materialistic while posing about her vacations or material objects, or talking about how we live in a simulation. she sounds like a conspiracy nut
Personally I believe 100% of the blame falls squarely on the paying customers shoulders. Because all the shady practices of the models and the site creators wouldn't happen if people didn't fork over the cash time and time again knowing an obvious scam when they see one.
Are you all too stupid to notice that the most overrated GWM are in fact the most popular and most posted women on here. Made popular, and posted the most often by the members of this site, who now suddenly say that they are overrated. That is just ridiculous. You are the ones providing the ratings!
Emma Hartley is apparently stupid. How can someone who has never met her or spent time with her know that? Apparently it is because she was anti-covid vaccines. Isn't everyone now? Even governments. Almost no one is being vaccinated anymore. Vaccine companies are now being sued because of side effects that people have suffered. She is also criticised for calling out "woke". Does anyone think that the woke nonsense is sensible? Isn't she correct to call it out?
Are you all too stupid to notice that the most overrated GWM are in fact the most popular and most posted women on here. Made popular, and posted the most often by the members of this site, who now suddenly say that they are overrated. That is just ridiculous.
Emma Hartley is apparently stupid. How can someone who has never met her or spent time with her know that? Apparently it is because she was anti-covid vaccines. Isn't everyone now? Even governments. Almosy no one is being vaccinated anymore. She is also criticised for calling out "woke". Does anyone think that the woke nonsense is sensible? Isn't she correct to call it out?
i think every influencer posts mostly terrible captions no one reads but at least the ones i follow aren't as bad as posting about not wanting to be in a materialistic world while driving a brand new Tesla and also making your money off of being hot and selling work out clothes (a non-necessity)
Guess you missed her anti-vax/mask/New World Order/we're living in The Matrix aka "WOKE" phase lol
I guess I did. Didn't know she was a anti-vax conspiracy nut. She must have scrubbed it or I didn't look back far enough. Usually they double down and re-post it ad nauseam. In which case fp909 is probably right, and there isn't a great intelligence secretly lurking behind that pretty face haha.
Guess you missed her anti-vax/mask/New World Order/we're living in The Matrix aka "WOKE" phase lol
To be fair, a LOT of fitness influencers were throwing out stuff like that. The industry is full of people who have no issues with injecting something made in a bathtub lol.
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I can't blame women for filling a niche. Capitalism finds a way. Not just in this space, but across the board men are paying for the idea of digital access to women of all ilks. Twitch, Instagram, "Premium" Snapchat, everywhere.
Producing high quality content is not easy. A ring light+iPhone "video shoot" doesn't compare to the photography/cinematography of a Walter Iooss Jr., Sean Nelson, etc.
We vote with our wallets on what get produced. We can support creators who respect both us and their craft, or creators who view us with contempt. Why try harder or do better if "they'll still buy it".
You mean thin athletic looking girls, but they may or may not be slightly muscular?
Any idea what's the name of the muscular lady who beatdown the man in this video
Yeah I've looked on hinge and there are alot of younger girls who go to the gym, most probably wouldn't be muscular enough for this site but look good, and you run across a few who compete in bikini, maybe figure. Definitely more girls in thier 20's who train seriously than used to
https://www.instagram.com/p/C1A53xmu4MT/ Adele or "saiyanmusclemami"
Ivie Rhein:
Melissa Teich:
Abi Jimenez:
hoo boy i have a lot of thoughts.
I'd put managers on the list here first. They show up when an account makes critical mass and (likely) promises them better money for less time investment. Someone like Blakelee Ortega was never getting approached because her account was too big enough. Natasha Aughey is too lazy tbh. Gracie exploded and having hundreds requests was probably daunting--I feel like Hunter Henderson finally conceded that as well. This is where you also get the big money grabs with the VIP account scam which, if I'm right, has nothing of value behind that paywall.
Creators who still run or jointly run the account have some blame--they set the price points. Setting a prohibitive sub price is a red flag and I can't believe people don't just check it out once, collect, and leave. Setting low prices and then posting the same stuff that goes on public social feeds doesn't get it done either. Very few it seems figure out how to get the most money for the right effort.
Users aren't much better because whales will pay whatever for what they personally value. Most of them have some kind of sticking point but as OF has taught many of them they all have stories of paying up front and not getting returns or, my personal favorite, asking for something and receiing a locked post and once funds are paid the video is nothing like what was asked for.
idk it's a whole can of worms. there's so many angles to think about it, so many ways that women approach it.
No the managers don't run the pages without the models seal of approval. So it's still completely on the models.
And when I say creators I mean the people who own and are responsible for Onlyfans website. The ones you should be able to go to with a complaint for getting scammed out of your money.
Who, by the way, earned every penny of her clothing empire, and the ability to go to Bali every weekend for the lulz, all thanks to working at Dominos for like a month ha
I put the blame primarily on models who have shitty practices and the creators of the platform for not doing enough to enforce it rather than consumers.
OF has exploded since pretty much the start of the pandemic lockdowns, and I think a number of women saw it as a good way to make money without necessarily putting a lot of effort into their content, if not outright not deliberately scam their followers by either not delivering content that's been paid for or delivering content that is completely different from what was requested. Not just that, but it's popularity has made it become too commercialized, which led to models hiring managers to run their pages (which can also lead to managers not understanding and bungling customer requests. At the end of the day, a model is responsible for the content on her page along with the experiences she provides her customers, so the bulk of the blame absolutely lies on them.
Though keep in mind, performers and models screwing over clients is nothing new and isn't exclusively within OF. I remember, when I first got into this kink in the mid aughts of model complaints either on cam sites or though their own sites, and funny enough, I remember reading negative reviews of session wrestlers like Lauren Powers . But I think OF deserves some blame. They should do more for customer protection, and while it's impossible to constantly monitor every single performer on a 24/7 basis, there should be some recourse for customers to let OF know of models who outright scam customers.
I don't think it's fair to blame customers. I am betting the vast majority of subscribers don't actually go to forums like this to discuss model profiles and if they are worth paying money to. Also, keep in mind that there are GOOD models out there who do put out great content and care about providing their clients with an excellent experience: they just more than likely are lesser-known models who can run their pages without needing managers.
Bad services cease to exist the second people stop supporting them so 99% of the blame must go to the customer for keeping this shit alive.
1% of the blame goes to the creators of the website because the platform itself is not great. It should be their responsibility of ensuring that both parties are protected and being treated fairly, similar to how ebay operates for their buyers and sellers. However, with OF there are virtually no safeguards in place for the consumer.
the list only has most subscribed for people that choose to use the function so youd think it was skewed in the opposite direction since there are many more users than people subscribed to any of these women.
once again lacking reading comprehension, no one is criticizing her for calling out "woke" because she's not calling out anything. she's posting about being materialistic while posing about her vacations or material objects, or talking about how we live in a simulation. she sounds like a conspiracy nut
Models creating
Creators running
So... Models= Creators? Did you mean Managers running?
I'm just curious what the people of GWM think.
Personally I believe 100% of the blame falls squarely on the paying customers shoulders. Because all the shady practices of the models and the site creators wouldn't happen if people didn't fork over the cash time and time again knowing an obvious scam when they see one.
This thread proves why this is a joke site.
Are you all too stupid to notice that the most overrated GWM are in fact the most popular and most posted women on here. Made popular, and posted the most often by the members of this site, who now suddenly say that they are overrated. That is just ridiculous. You are the ones providing the ratings!
Emma Hartley is apparently stupid. How can someone who has never met her or spent time with her know that? Apparently it is because she was anti-covid vaccines. Isn't everyone now? Even governments. Almost no one is being vaccinated anymore. Vaccine companies are now being sued because of side effects that people have suffered. She is also criticised for calling out "woke". Does anyone think that the woke nonsense is sensible? Isn't she correct to call it out?
user caught a ban for the above. - fp
This thread proves why this is a joke site.
Are you all too stupid to notice that the most overrated GWM are in fact the most popular and most posted women on here. Made popular, and posted the most often by the members of this site, who now suddenly say that they are overrated. That is just ridiculous.
Emma Hartley is apparently stupid. How can someone who has never met her or spent time with her know that? Apparently it is because she was anti-covid vaccines. Isn't everyone now? Even governments. Almosy no one is being vaccinated anymore. She is also criticised for calling out "woke". Does anyone think that the woke nonsense is sensible? Isn't she correct to call it out?
i think every influencer posts mostly terrible captions no one reads but at least the ones i follow aren't as bad as posting about not wanting to be in a materialistic world while driving a brand new Tesla and also making your money off of being hot and selling work out clothes (a non-necessity)
Nice everything
I guess I did. Didn't know she was a anti-vax conspiracy nut. She must have scrubbed it or I didn't look back far enough. Usually they double down and re-post it ad nauseam. In which case fp909 is probably right, and there isn't a great intelligence secretly lurking behind that pretty face haha.
Your link does not work/is wrong.
To be fair, a LOT of fitness influencers were throwing out stuff like that. The industry is full of people who have no issues with injecting something made in a bathtub lol.
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