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I disagree. While I believe that there are more men who are into muscular woman than there are actual muscular women, we still represent a minority compared to what is considered "conventionally attractive" with most men. If more men were into women with muscle, then we would have seen that reflected in venues and entertainment that cater to the "male gaze," like more muscular women in adult publications and porn, or strip clubs.
Every time I’ve actually seen a noticeably muscular woman in public, there is this moment where time just stops, and I can almost feel everyone’s heart pounding in their chest as people act like a celebrity is walking by
I kind of feel like this is pushing a preconceived narrative that doesn't necessarily reflect the reality. While yes, a visibly and pronounced muscular women is going to turn heads, it's more because muscular women are rare and they have a very unconventional look, which isn't equivalent to people looking because they find that aesthetic attractive.
How long were you closed in your basement and had no real life conversation with a person in person?
Fit..sure, but very muscular..no!
I think the growing acceptance of women lifting weights and having visible muscle has warped the minds of some on here. There's a large portion of posters that think this means we're going to see half the female population looking like Andrea Shaw when in reality it means we're going to see more women like Cass Martin in her present shape.
I don't completely disagree with the OP, though making it a concrete blanket statement makes it difficult to defend.
I disagree. While I believe that there are more men who are into muscular woman than there are actual muscular women, we still represent a minority compared to what is considered "conventionally attractive" with most men. If more men were into women with muscle, then we would have seen that reflected in venues and entertainment that cater to the "male gaze," like more muscular women in adult publications and porn, or strip clubs.
I kind of feel like this is pushing a preconceived narrative that doesn't necessarily reflect the reality. While yes, a visibly and pronounced muscular women is going to turn heads, it's more because muscular women are rare and they have a very unconventional look, which isn't equivalent to people looking because they find that aesthetic attractive.
Some good points and I absolutely agree with the second section: the momentary collective gasp of bystanders is likely more due to something out of the ordinary being observed than everyone's positive appraisal of the rarity. Everyone turns and gasps at a car crash as well.
But I would debate some of the first section, because we are starting to see a change in what's considered "conventionally attractive" and I hope the trend continues. Swimsuit models are becoming leaner than they used to be, agree that we're not seeing the mainstream venues displaying women with bulging biceps or OMG trap width, but it's becoming more and more common to see indications of abdominal separation, maybe not an all-out six-pack (which is becoming less uncommon) but visible division between the rectus and oblique abdominals. They've even started making the clothing mannequins for female attire to have six-packs, what does that tell us? Also, I'd agree that men who are into the type of physique represented here are the minority, but so are those who are attracted to the other end of the spectrum, obese women. And that's just it; it's a spectrum and those of us on either extreme end are considered fetishists. But with the advances that we're seeing in understanding of how to sculpt our bodies both in terms of dietary impact and both pharmaceutical (GLP-1s) and supplementation (legal non-injectable anabolics), it is becoming easier to have less fat and more muscle, and as that's healthier for the vast majority of the population, we're starting to trend in that direction on the fat-normal-muscular spectrum.
I am probably biased in this assessment as I've long been trying to fool myself with a notion similar to the OP; that since most men are more attracted to a woman with a normal build than they would be to an obese woman, then they should also be similarly more attracted to a woman who is even further down that same continuum and showing musculature and definition, and the only reason that they aren't is because of insecurity in their own masculinity, because as those female muscles are aesthetically pleasing (and I have difficulty accepting that that is a subjective POV and not an objective reality), those muscles also indicate physical strength, and someone insecure with their masculinity would feel threatened and emasculated by a woman who challenges their physical dominance. But someone (like us) who are secure in their masculinity only see female muscle for what it is, aesthetically beautiful (as well as... stimulating.)
and someone insecure with their masculinity would feel threatened and emasculated by a woman who challenges their physical dominance. But someone (like us) who are secure in their masculinity only see female muscle for what it is, aesthetically beautiful (as well as... stimulating.)
I disagree with the notion of "being stimulated by female muscle means we are secure in our masculinity." While there can some correlation between the two, it's definitely not causation, and it's not too hard to see that there are some in this "community" who come across as insecure. That's kind of like saying that because someone likes muscular women, they must also have a passion for and care about fitness. While there are some who also are into lifting, it's not uncommon to see dudes who like buff women who have no interest in getting fit themselves.
I don't really get the push that some people have of wanting this to be mainstream, whether it comes from claims that most dudes like muscular women, or in the case of someone in chat who constantly repeats it, that most women want to look like, say, a bikini competitor. Yeah, it would be cool if our "small" community was more mainstream, but there's nothing wrong with something remaining a niche interest. Another example of a niche love I have is Dungeons and Dragons. I love the game, and with it being featured in Stranger Things, the popularity of shows like Dimension 20 and Critical Role, and how wildly good and successful Baldur's Gate 3 was, D&D is the most popular that is has probably ever been since it's inception. Yet if I were to go to my neighborhood bar in a middle-class part of a major city and ask a random group of 10 people if they know what a d20 is, I think I would be lucky if I got one person who knows what it is. It's definitely more popular, but it's still a pretty niche thing.
I think at least 90 % of men would find Vladislava Galagan hot, but 90+ % would find Lisa Cross (as she looks today) not attractive. So it kinda depends, just muscle by itself isn´t hot.
I think about 50 % of men would prefer Vladi Galagan (again) as she looks now over a slim, normal version of her. But far from that many would admit it.
I disagree with the notion of "being stimulated by female muscle means we are secure in our masculinity." That wasn't what I was saying at all, at least not in terms of causation i.e. being stimulated by female muscle -> person is secure in masculinity. More that logic dictates that if a woman who is average is considered more attractive than one that is obese for that reason, it only makes sense that someone further down that same spectrum of obese-average-muscular should be considered even more attractive for the exact same reason.
I think every guy is to a point. Particularly calves. I think every man is drawn to huge calves in a dress or shorts. I mean damn how can u not look at them
Too bad the op deleted his post because this could be very interesting. I think the only reason the average man doesn't like female muscle is because it's too rare. and men have an advantage when it comes to muscle so it's pointless for men to look for a very strong wife that they will probably never find. since they are so rare men must just accept weaker women or they will never get laid . so they don't view muscle as sexual or feminine. while for women it's easy to find guys with muscles so they prefer it because it's just better and obtainable. maybe if there was a world were most women are stronger or equal to men in terms of strength most men would be attracted to strong women. Like when I was growing up I never saw muscular women. but the women were usually only slightly weaker than the men and the difference seemed minor. but most guys probably didn't see a lot of though women growing up. so they just think it's not feminine when a woman is strong.
Yes, buff, athletic and muscular women are attractive to most people, men and women. For reference, women like Lauren F, Ida B, VG and others of comparable degrees of muscle and facial beauty (not excluding other races) and not the overly muscled and roided women who (and their admirers) are a niche subset. Men who deny it are likely insecure about their masculinity or really old fashioned in their understanding of gender norms.
Female athleticism is going mainstream. I’ve noticed that mannequins for female sportswear have muscles. People have to accept this positive social change.
In addition to insecure men, many women also probably dislike female muscle. Reasons may include feminist ideology, body positivity and perceived superficiality.
Working out is healthy and beneficial but so many women have demanding jobs, manage kids and homes and resent any pressure (and have no time) to keep looking good especially as they age.