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> > . > > Thanks for clearing this up! > > The outrage is kinda ironic given the virilization required by the sport.
required at that level, but not seen is the "magic" of the sport. No one wants to see a guy with GYNO or a woman with a beard. It just doesn't look good and the best bodybuilders/athletes don't show the negative effects of the sport/while actively participating.
I wonder if the magic you mention is what Guyara is challenging? Maybe she no longer wants to play along with the make believe of creating the suspension of disbelief associated with competitive physique competitions and their effect on health and appearance. Maybe that could explain why she wants to grow her beard. I dunno.
All of that is pure speculation on my part. Nevertheless, it will be interesting to see how fellow competitors respond to her new appearance onstage and hearing what they have to say, if anything at all, about it. Their views might determine how things go, I think.
> > I wondered the same thing about this guy: https://www.girlswithmuscle.com/forum/thread/... > > I think its because they are gay or bi-sexual and dont care and are a little stupid so they cant see why others would care.
I agree that he came across as a bit unhinged. But so what if people are gay, or bi or whatever, why do you care and why do you think they are stupid? It sounds like you are afraid of it and that you are the ignorant one here. 🤣🙄 The insults we throw at others are just what we are most afraid of in ourselves. 😁
I never said being gay or bi is bad or stupid. 🤦 Just the gay and bi sexual guys are probably the ones who would like that post the most. I am literally the guy who all the lesbians on here talk to. I am not a bigot and never will be so please don't take what I said and twist it. I am saying the average person is stupid thank you very much :)
she's not hurting anyone. if she's done the work and paid the fees etc, then live and let live
No, thats not how it works. There are rules and requirements. No body or facial hair.
Considering the amount of prejudice that muscular women have to deal with especially from people that already call them men or think that they are men, a lot of them have gone out of their way to try to prove that muscle can be feminine and bodybuilders regardless of the division can still be seen as beautiful but most importantly as feminine women.
What this person is doing is honestly selfish because they might single-handedly destroy a lot of the work these women have done. It'll just become a case of people who are already prejudiced against muscular women using their photos to say that this is what putting on muscle can do and it might even dissuade some women from working out because they may not know any better.
Some women can have beards, that is not inherently an issue nor is it something that somebody should be ashamed of but when you are putting On a show or making a statement that can ultimately affect an entire community in a negative way then it is inherently selfish. You are only thinking about yourself and that I think is the biggest problem.
They can have a beard for all I care, it doesn't hurt me. But it can hurt female bodybuilding as a whole especially when it comes to the aspect of femininity.
I agree 100%!
The fact that you asked a question IN NO WAY obligates anyone to answer. People like you always think you're entitled to things you're not entitled to. This is Chainer's workshop and while he's politely responding to you, he doesn't have to tell you shit.
After the second attempt to gaslight, I would have already told you to fuck right off. He's WAY nicer than I am. But this is his site and he handles it professionally granting us all (self included) a tremendous amount of grace. Bottom line, you can ask whatever you want, but he doesn't have to give you the answers you want. The beard pic you want to promote so badly is right here in this thread and anyone interested in the topic can see it. Over 250 people have responded to the poll and that's still not enough for you.
If I ask a question and get an ambiguous response I can ask for clarification. It's a great service chainer offers but don't get upset if some of us query something. The pill hardly addresses the question I asked. Don't be so blinkered. I'm just seeking to understand whether the position being taken in relation to this image is well thought out and considered or more of a knee jerk, unconscious one. It's good to flesh these things out. Boundaries are always going to pushed. No need to be defensive. Let's get into it. Happy to do devils advocate etc... What you are saying is that we are subject to the whims of the mods and should be grateful for it. 🤣
I never said being gay or bi is bad or stupid. 🤦 Just the gay and bi sexual guys are probably the ones who would like that post the most. I am literally the guy who all the lesbians on here talk to. I am not a bigot and never will be so please don't take what I said and twist it. I am saying the average person is stupid thank you very much :)
Do gay people like bearded women? You are clearly the expert so I bow down to your greater wisdom! 😉🤔 Then your argument for not being a bigot is basically: 'I'm not a racist, I have some black friends!' A well argued point. 👍🤣 🙄
Personally I think this is an excellent topic to explore and unpick all the conscious/unconscious motivations and views that are expressed. Its good to explore these things. Let's try not to get too defensive and start hurling insults around. I do get the impression that a lot of guys here are afraid to get into it and explore this, including the mods. And are happy to rely on conditioned and possibly unconscious biases. All I would say is don't live in ignorance all your lives and don't be afraid of unpicking what lies underneath the truths we take for granted. Although they do also say 'ignorance is bliss!'. 🤔 🤣
Do gay people like bearded women? You are clearly the expert so I bow down to your greater wisdom! 😉🤔 Then your argument for not being a bigot is basically: 'I'm not a racist, I have some black friends!' A well argued point. 👍🤣 🙄
Bro is really fighting like this, when only 4 people said yes in this poll, and he was one of them 😭. There is no use in talking to you. What's wrong with taking a pic off this site because it will probably make tons of guys lose their boners and why is it such a big deal to you? Just wondering.
Saw this debate on Instagram and yeah, it was a frustrating read. Here's my take:
1) If the rules say "competitors must be born female," then this person qualifies. Period. Yes, a muscular trans woman with long hair and boobs is better suited for stage than a trans man with a beard and a vagina, but you can't have it both ways.
2) Don't like the beard? Change the rules and say that women can't have facial hair. She'll then have to shave the beard or she can't compete.
3) Most of FBB's grow facial hair. Comes with the territory. They all get electrolysis and use drugs to manage that side effect. This person isn't exceptionally juiced up, she's (he's) just not doing anything to cope with the changes, because he is embracing them.
Let the beart women compete and place them last. Thats how they'll learn it!
is she on HRT? If she is, is HRT considered an unfair advantage? Can someone clarify for me?
HRT is supplemental testosterone.
Every single professional bodybuilder.. male and female.. is massively supplementing their test. Every single one of them has a test level that far exceeds that of a young healthy male.
The only difference between an FBB and a trans man (female to male) is that FBB's will take compounds that are more anabolic and a bit less likely to directly encourage facial hair growth, and they will actively do electrolysis and shave their face to minimize the appearance of hair. And your average FBB on cycle has a far higher test number than your average trans man.
When it comes to open bodybuilding, the hormones and gear is an absolute wild west with no standards or regulation whatsoever. The whole "trans athlete" thing really falls apart here when everyone is able to juice themselves as much as they can handle. And the winner is chosen subjectively. Everyone in a pro show has a pretty great physique, and the judges are known to specifically award people that they like better and people that they find more marketable.
Unless the rules say that she can't have a beard, then she should be allowed on stage with it. In the same vein, a male should be allowed to compete with long hair and a bikini if he wants. Let's face it, bodybuilding is kind of a freak show by nature, so might as well let people express themselves if they have the muscle and physique to back it up. Ultimately a judge will decide anyway.
Let the beart women compete and place them last. Thats how they'll learn it!
Probably would be exactly what happens. I doubt she takes this look on stage anyway.
rules?? that's FASCISM Hitler! and anything else bad i can think of...let me see...something PHOBIC! ICE!
And this coming from the snowflake that can't even handle a cartoon? 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Maybe try not derailing the topic with your childish tribal narrative humping and instead invest that energy into developing some self awareness. Your cognitive dissonance is preventing you from seeing your own hypocrisy. Everyone else is eye rolling and facepalming at you.
And this coming from the snowflake that can't even handle a cartoon? 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Maybe try not derailing the topic with your childish tribal narrative humping
i know you are but what am i.
this 'topic' deserves derailing and outright ridicule. but i can see you're sensitive so i will refrain from further replies for your sake
i know you are but what am i.
this 'topic' deserves derailing and outright ridicule. but i can see you're sensitive so i will refrain from further replies for your sake
(Further replies in 3... 2... 1...)
and South TDS Park is still lame and it's not my fault. they bent the knee to corporate so fast like good little poseurs.
Two replies to my one to prove I'm the one who's butthurt? 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
You're so bad at this it's comical.
To return things to being more on-topic, you literally defended and expressed an attraction to this woman specifically because she has facial hair but now you think your off-topic tangents qualify as "ridicule"? You've got a worse case of brain worms than RFK, Jr. if you think that adds up. 🤦♂️🤣😂🤣😂🤣
just wanted to say we've come a long way as a society and I am proud of all of us. watching that girl pose her body w a full beard and looking like the guy that rotates my tires at Discount Tire just makes it all the more sensual! Thanks!
Not remotely my thing, but she can grow a beard if she wants and you can "rotate your tires" at her "sensuality" all you like (TMI). "Live and let live". But you should probably figure out a consistent narrative and stick with it because you're all over the place with your disassociated ramblings.
And yes, it's completely your fault that you're unable to distinguish between your butthurt over a cartoon, your tribalist narrative humping, and and what everyone outside of your little 4chan MAGA Groyper bubble sees. The only person responsible for sending you down that rabbit hole is you. Own it.
^^^ It's so goddamn frustrating that a fan board for female bodybuilders also spends like 30% of it's time tearing down and talking smack about female bodybuilders.
Have you noticed that she has huge muscles?
Have you heard that she has OG female anatomy?
So maybe stop freaking out about her facial hair and start gooning for her biceps and pecs like the rest of us.
And if you're not into her, then I guess she'll just have to find a way to live with herself. She could have had a shot with you, but I guess the beard killed it. She'll have to settle for second best now.
The fact that you asked a question IN NO WAY obligates anyone to answer. People like you always think you're entitled to things you're not entitled to. This is Chainer's workshop and while he's politely responding to you, he doesn't have to tell you shit.
After the second attempt to gaslight, I would have already told you to fuck right off. He's WAY nicer than I am. But this is his site and he handles it professionally granting us all (self included) a tremendous amount of grace. Bottom line, you can ask whatever you want, but he doesn't have to give you the answers you want. The beard pic you want to promote so badly is right here in this thread and anyone interested in the topic can see it. Over 250 people have responded to the poll and that's still not enough for you.