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Thanks for clearing this up!
The outrage is kinda ironic given the virilization required by the sport.
required at that level, but not seen is the "magic" of the sport. No one wants to see a guy with GYNO or a woman with a beard. It just doesn't look good and the best bodybuilders/athletes don't show the negative effects of the sport/while actively participating.
just wanted to say we've come a long way as a society and I am proud of all of us. watching that girl pose her body w a full beard and looking like the guy that rotates my tires at Discount Tire just makes it all the more sensual! Thanks!
The 203rd-ranked male tennis player smoked the Venus sisters back-to-back. Males in their advancing years generally maintain more of their vitality than females, which is reflected when trans competitors participate in female Masters categories. So there's nothing "silly" about the biological disparity between males and females, whether it's gross strength or subtle reflexes. Doesn't matter if it's throwing hands or throwing darts. A C+ male athlete doesn't magically transition into his C+ female counterpart. The difficulty level is decreased for that person while the regular females have a more difficult task ahead of them, and that simply is not fair.
In terms of bodybuilding, while I'm not big on virilization, I am still in awe of what females make of their bodies, however feminine or masculine the result; and that is their own achievement as females.
Yeah, sorry. To clarify, I’m not saying that the difference is silly. I’m well aware of the huge disparity in male and female biological limits. I’m saying it’s silly to try to make the argument that someone should have to compete in their “birth assigned gender” category, because it’s “fair”. This proves that it isn’t, I think. People want to make everything into a black and white argument, but I think it’s a lot more complicated than that.
Also, here’s my hot take…
I don’t think bodybuilding is a sport. It’s just a beauty contest with different physical standards. If you think bodybuilding is a sport, then so is the Miss America pageant.
I'm one of those people that usually says live and let live cuz most things that other people do usually doesn't have anything to do with me anyway so why should I care. With that being said, whether or not some people consider this a sport or a beauty pageant and whether or not this person should compete with the sex they were assigned at birth, the fact is that female bodybuilding is one of these communities that had to deal with a lot of social stigma. I'm someone who likes to support female bodybuilders not just because of my attraction towards it but because it's probably the closest thing to a favorite sport that I have. I genuinely could not care about any other "sport".
I don't think the ifbb is going to impede this person from competing before they go to their first show with a full grown beard but I suppose that after one or two shows the best case scenario or in this case the most realistic scenario is that they'll probably enforce some kind of a ban on facial hair, depending on how big of a controversy does becomes. I don't know how exactly these contests are judged since it is very subjective but from my understanding femininity is a very much emphasized and I think most people would agree with me that of all things that could be considered "feminine", a beard is likely not one of those things.
I'm not exactly sure as to why this person wants to compete with a full-grown beard but I do think that regardless of what the reason is they are being extremely selfish because it is ultimately going to cause more controversies for the women that have strived to make bodybuilding feminine.
I don't get what the huge deal is.
Women grow body and facial hair. It makes me think about the dudes who find women who have hairy underarms as some kind of alien concept. When you're on PEDs, they can cause accelerated body hair growth.
She is choosing not to remove hers. How people react to that is their business and isn't on her.
All women have body hair and pubic hair. Some women have beards. Some people love it, some don't. It's a fact of life. Lots of older women and some ethnicities are more prone to body and facial hair. An ex greek girlfriend of mine was pretty hairy, but still insanely sexy.
Have we come no further in the last 150 years or so than John Ruskin on his wedding night, to still be repulsed by women with body and/or facial hair:
https://time.com/3765841/effie-gray/
The answer seems to be no. Which is sad. Just because something is not to our personal taste doesn't mean they're not a biological woman and that there aren't guys and gals who find them very attractive. It's not my thing but I don't have any issue with it. Happy for her to crack on and break some boundaries. Hope they let her compete. Her physique looks amazing.
This is not, and has never been, a reason to keep an image on the site.
She is a woman with a beard. It's about the physique surely, which is awesome, despite the beard. If she shaved it off you'd allow it. Your approach is a bit disingenuous. What are you afraid of? or what don't you like about it?
Considering the amount of prejudice that muscular women have to deal with especially from people that already call them men or think that they are men, a lot of them have gone out of their way to try to prove that muscle can be feminine and bodybuilders regardless of the division can still be seen as beautiful but most importantly as feminine women.
What this person is doing is honestly selfish because they might single-handedly destroy a lot of the work these women have done. It'll just become a case of people who are already prejudiced against muscular women using their photos to say that this is what putting on muscle can do and it might even dissuade some women from working out because they may not know any better.
Some women can have beards, that is not inherently an issue nor is it something that somebody should be ashamed of but when you are putting On a show or making a statement that can ultimately affect an entire community in a negative way then it is inherently selfish. You are only thinking about yourself and that I think is the biggest problem.
They can have a beard for all I care, it doesn't hurt me. But it can hurt female bodybuilding as a whole especially when it comes to the aspect of femininity.
She is a woman with a beard. It's about the physique surely, which is awesome, despite the beard. If she shaved it off you'd allow it. Your approach is a bit disingenuous. What are you afraid of? or what don't you like about it?
Why are you so concerned with this pic in particular being deleted and not the other dozens that get deleted every day?
Why are you so concerned with this pic in particular being deleted and not the other dozens that get deleted every day?
I wondered the same thing about this guy: https://www.girlswithmuscle.com/forum/thread/...
I think its because they are gay or bi-sexual and dont care and are a little stupid so they cant see why others would care.
Why are you so concerned with this pic in particular being deleted and not the other dozens that get deleted every day?
I'm not aware of all the other images you lot delete, it's not something I keep track of. I am sure the vast majority I would agree with. I am aware of this one and I'm curious about what you reasons for deleting it are? I may even agree with why it was deleted if you spell it out. But you keep dodging the question so far. It seems like you might be a bit sensitive about it? It's just a biological woman with facial hair. Is there a boundary you have that it has crossed? Too masculine? What harm does it do to leave it up?
I wondered the same thing about this guy: https://www.girlswithmuscle.com/forum/thread/...
I think its because they are gay or bi-sexual and dont care and are a little stupid so they cant see why others would care.
I agree that he came across as a bit unhinged. But so what if people are gay, or bi or whatever, why do you care and why do you think they are stupid? It sounds like you are afraid of it and that you are the ignorant one here. 🤣🙄 The insults we throw at others are just what we are most afraid of in ourselves. 😁
It's my opinion and my opinion only that you're wrong to think that everything must be accommodated for EVERY audience.
Although the market helps to influence their decision-making, shopkeepers get to choose which products they will sell and which they will not sell. I understand that - in the U.S. - Walgreens is required to serve (virtually) all would-be customers, no matter how ratchet, but they don't get to choose Walgreens' store inventory.
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Thanks for clearing this up!
The outrage is kinda ironic given the virilization required by the sport.