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But this has zero to do with what I said. So I wonder why did you choose to quote me in your message.
Competent means able. I never said anything about anyone being unable to buy or sell sexual gratification. Neither did I tell anyone they have or don't have a license to do something. I said exactly nothing about any license or anything to that effect.
I simply said that it's generally understood that it makes one a lesser person if he has to buy human attention or affection, and this is why calling someone a schmoe is perfectly logical and understandable. It may not be nice, but it's not absurd or incomprehensible. I also explicitly said that I am not telling anyone to do or not do it. But you obviously missed that.
Once you post text in a public forum, then that text belongs to the forum. No single individual "owns" a public conversation. The previously-quoted text from your statement was posted on such a forum.
Conversations go where they go. If the response wasn't about you or the other things you wrote, then one might wonder why it was triggering.
I simply said that it's generally understood that it makes one a lesser person if he has to buy human attention or affection, and this is why calling someone a schmoe is perfectly logical and understandable. It may not be nice, but it's not absurd or incomprehensible. I also explicitly said that I am not telling anyone to do or not do it. But you obviously missed that.
That isn’t what being called a Schmoe is about. Perhaps you have a misunderstanding of the term.
Perhaps this is one reason there is so much negativity around muscular women. Why must there be a name attached? For example, what are guys who like fat women called? What are guys who like skinny women called? If a guy likes blondes, what is he called? What is a guy called who only likes Asian women? I know the term has been around for over 30 years, but makes it seem as if guys who are into muscular women are deviants. Any thoughts?
Who cares what people call someone who likes muscular women? I know I don't - couldn't care less.
If it worries you what slur someone uses you are just handing over power to them and demonstrating weakness.
Get over it.
But this has zero to do with what I said. So I wonder why did you choose to quote me in your message.
Competent means able. I never said anything about anyone being unable to buy or sell sexual gratification. Neither did I tell anyone they have or don't have a license to do something. I said exactly nothing about any license or anything to that effect.
I simply said that it's generally understood that it makes one a lesser person if he has to buy human attention or affection, and this is why calling someone a schmoe is perfectly logical and understandable. It may not be nice, but it's not absurd or incomprehensible. I also explicitly said that I am not telling anyone to do or not do it. But you obviously missed that.
You are definitely a schmoe
We're all 'schmoes' here, whether we like it or not! 🤣
I think the level of schmoeness varies a great deal though. I would say I'm at the milder end of the scale, if I am one at all 🙄
Gross insulting term, which I take offense to. I am a 68 year old male who respects and admires all women. Unlike some cultures I don't regard women to be inferior to men, but as absolutely equal to men in practically all ways, apart from their reproductive physiology and lesser muscle tissue mass. Therefore a physically capable woman who is strong and has developed muscle by their own desire, their career or job related needs, should be admired for being themselves. My personal preferences are for a woman who is willing to help with traditional male duties, ie carrying suitcases, moving furniture, changing a car wheel etc. Not women who are afraid a breaking a nail or daren't lift anything more than 2 kgs. The word 'Schmoe' is always used in a derogatory, degrading way, for men who like women who are strong and/or muscular. However terms like 'chubby chasers', boob man, leg and ass man don't sound insulting. Even men with a fetish for disabled women are called 'devotees', which doesn't sound derogatory. I almost feel we're classed in the same category as vile paedophiles. Anyway I am happy to admire, respect, fantasize and be amazed and impressed by mature, strong and muscular women. I'd rather be a schmoe than a schmuck who disrespects and treats women badly.
"Rather be a schmoe than a schmuck" is fire. LOL I love it.
To the guy who said, "we're all schmoes here," I'm gonna respectfully disagree.
There's no hard and fast definition, but talking to ladies in the scene... to be a schmoe isn't necessarily good or bad, but it does mean that you're involved and fairly obsessed.
I look at this site every day, I subscribe to nearly a dozen onlyfans pages, I'm a member of herbiceps and awefilms, I do in person sessions, I'm a bodybuilder myself, and I go to (at least) the Olympia every year and ideally the Arnold too.
I'm a Schmoe. I'm down for life. The ladies like me because I'm polite, I'm not demanding or a creep, and I pay them for their time. Emphasis on that last part. They would call me a schmoe, and one of the good ones. What's not to like?
Contrast that with the random Instgram chud who sends message requests to every FBB, asking for their attention, never buys anything, never goes to shows, and only treats them like an object. He's a schmoe as well, but clearly a bad one.
If you like muscular women and you follow them on social media and check them out on this site, and it's hot when they show up in a movie or show... then you're not really a schmoe. You're just a guy who likes fit, buff women.
Same thing goes for gay men. I wouldn't say that gay guys have a term like "schmoe," but there's a clear difference between a gay guy who likes buff men (that's obviously pretty common) and a gay guy who's OBSESSED with huge muscular guys and worshipping them and getting dominanted by them all and that.
To Muscles_Toez Appreciated your response and interpretation of our fascination (obsession) and involvement with the amazing women of strength and muscle. Unlike you, I'm no bodybuilder, but as a 83kgs, 68 years old I'm no weakling and would say I'm above average in strength. So when I meet a woman who is 10kgs lighter than me, but much stronger and more muscular, not only am I amazed and impressed, but obviously delighted. Like you, I'm polite, respectful and interested in them as individuals and always try to ensure they enjoy our meeting with conversation and humour. I'm no George Clooney or Austin Butler, but some of the session girls I have met, have been keen to meet me repeatedly without any financial exchange. My parting words are "There's no business like Schmoe business" 😂🙏🏼😊
For all us 'Schmoes' - here's a few amended lyrics to the show musical song by Irving Berlin "There's no business like show business"
There’s no business like ‘Schmoe’ business, like no business we know
Muscle women, they find appealing, respecting all the images they allow
Lucky to get some impressive bicep feeling, and exclaiming "oh wow"
There’s no people like ‘Schmoe’ people, they smile when muscles are aglow
Twice as strong as the average man, lifting far more than they can
Forever remaining an avid fan, admiring all they show, it’s great to be a ‘Schmoe’
@jaguar55... Thanks for your entertaining contributions. Before the Internet exploded and provided online opportunities like personal chat rooms and only fans, female bodybuilders used sessions as a way of providing income for their expensive pursuits.
I believe it was Kay Baxter, who coined the "Schmoe" term. I'm not sure if she intended it to be an insulting word but it seemed to come across that way. It puzzles me that any truly muscular woman, has a problem with a man or a woman, being so attracted to them, that they would pay just to touch them. No sex necessary, just flex and let someone appreciate, their hard work!
I realize there are probably many truly creepy worshippers out there and this added to how they bracketed the schmoe term. I suppose it's how a person comes across to them. On this site as well as Diana the Valkyrie, several women reached out to me, over the years, thanking me for my kind words and compliments.
@luvembuff...Thanks for your response to my contributions.
In life, I always try to make light of and add humour to any negative situation. Therefore, even if the term 'Schmoe' can be viewed as derogatory, I will play it down. As a true gentleman like yourself, I treat practically all I meet in life with thoughtful respect and in return, I am rewarded with having countless friends and acquaintances. These include dozens of women I have met in sessions, many who are happy to communicate and meet without any monetary transactions. In other words they are happy and thankful to be admired, appreciated and supported in their athletic pursuits. They are also very comfortable discussing their lives and passions with a truly encouraging, interested party, such as I.
If anyone ever called me a schmoe I would correct them that I just prefer that a woman takes care of her body. I honestly think most men like women that are at least fit. I'd never refer to myself as a schmoe because I'm not obsessed and I'm not a simp. So if anyone called me a schmoe I might tell them to have fun with the pudgy, frail, lazy women they prefer.
I always felt that a "schmoe" is any man that finds muscular women physically/ sexually attractive but that ISN"T particularly fit or muscular and that isn't into the fitness/bodybuilding lifestyle himself. Basically, any guy a typical female bodybuilder or fitness chick would NOT BE genuinely romantically or sexually attracted to and that has a zero chance of anything genuine actually happening without money being a part of the equation is a schmoe. It DOESNT mean that the GWM is necessarily REPULSED or creeped out by the guy, unless he is giving her reason to be, but most girls (even ones without muscle) know within the first 20 to 30 seconds of laying eyes on a guy the very first time if they would be romantic/ sexual with him. Having said all of that, these girls KNOW we are physically attracted to them, so they just take full advantage of that fact to make money, and pretty good money at that. Their sexual market value is very high, and they know this. Realistically, the chances for most of us, not all but most. are practically zero. So we relegate all of this to a little harmless fantasizing and timeless wonder. That's really all it shapes up to be, harmless daydreaming of closeness to a physically fit, beautiful woman.
Perhaps this is one reason there is so much negativity around muscular women. Why must there be a name attached? For example, what are guys who like fat women called? What are guys who like skinny women called? If a guy likes blondes, what is he called? What is a guy called who only likes Asian women? I know the term has been around for over 30 years, but makes it seem as if guys who are into muscular women are deviants. Any thoughts?
The categories you named that isn’t a”standard” have a negative name for the group or the preference. Chubby chaser, yellow fever. People just love to dump on stuff they don’t understand or don’t agree with.
If this is your first direct experience with negative names or stereotypes, congratulations. It’s a pretty brutal world out there.
I believe it's because of the old Murphy Law that states when they like us we don't like them, when we like them they don't like us. A super muscular woman is in my observation is still a woman that doesn't want a smaller or weaker man. Lots of exemptions but even then they don't like when guys are falling all over their muscles and wanting them to do tricks like they are a toy fantasy. They know full well the look can't last and if thats all you want then you aint gonna want her for long. That combined with how many "Schmoes" and non Schmoes get a kick out of their muscles. Wanting to arm wrestle or carried around. I think it just gets super annoying. My best guess as to why the negative connotation. It is quite odd they would dis the one group that wants to have sex with them.
Right, on the one hand they are concerned about the schmoes and that they "only" like the muscles and fear they are gone then the muscles are gone. On the other hand, it should be a little difficult to find men who "just love" their character a.s.o. and have NO problems having intercourse with a manly muscular body!
I always felt that a "schmoe" is any man that finds muscular women physically/ sexually attractive but that ISN"T particularly fit or muscular and that isn't into the fitness/bodybuilding lifestyle himself. Basically, any guy a typical female bodybuilder or fitness chick would NOT BE genuinely romantically or sexually attracted to and that has a zero chance of anything genuine actually happening without money being a part of the equation is a schmoe. It DOESNT mean that the GWM is necessarily REPULSED or creeped out by the guy, unless he is giving her reason to be, but most girls (even ones without muscle) know within the first 20 to 30 seconds of laying eyes on a guy the very first time if they would be romantic/ sexual with him. Having said all of that, these girls KNOW we are physically attracted to them, so they just take full advantage of that fact to make money, and pretty good money at that. Their sexual market value is very high, and they know this. Realistically, the chances for most of us, not all but most. are practically zero. So we relegate all of this to a little harmless fantasizing and timeless wonder. That's really all it shapes up to be, harmless daydreaming of closeness to a physically fit, beautiful woman.
I doubt their "sexual market value" is that high.
People prefer to not have to buy affection.