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Do they know ? Do they realize the effect they have on "us" ?

KJD
Oct 21, 2022 - permalink

And by "they" I mean not only female bodybuilders but also girls who are to some degree muscular.

Do they know/realize that some men (in my opinion "most men" :-)) really like their muscular body and get turned on by it ?

I can imagine that an average looking girl that starts to work out and get more muscular also sees an increase in male interest in them (sometimes even starting to get more attention than the traditional skinny good looking girl). So they should realize it to some point right ?

Anybody has experience or ideas with/about this ?

Oct 21, 2022 - permalink

Obviously they do, because look at how of them monetize their physiques through cams and avenues like OnlyFans.

I feel like most muscular women know there is a fetish for it, and if they’re newly turning to a muscular athlete, they’ll know very soon

Oct 21, 2022 - permalink

I think those who are active online or are successful at their sport all know for sure

but maybe there are still a few more humble muscle women. who don't use Instagram and only work out for fun or to get stronger for work. maybe those dont know since they only know local men who are not into it. but i am not sure if women like that still exist.

fp909
Oct 21, 2022 - permalink

I think those who are active online or are successful at their sport all know for sure

100%, though i think the "enthusiasm" often catches them by surprise. but the anime crowd loves it, the gym crowd majority loves it. randoms love it too. i think it's still easy to hide even on IG but even i've found one or two "entry level" women that friends follow. idk that i'd call them entry level either. Natasha Aughey is pretty heavily muscled, not to mention the very built semi-popular to red-hot crossfit women that some other friends follow.

Oct 21, 2022 - permalink

Would be impossible for them not to know if they have an online presence.

fp909
Oct 21, 2022 - permalink

but since so many of them are embracing the muscle mommy thing there's so kind of appreciation for the fans. unfortunately it's led to an inflated sense of worth in how much they charge which leads to unreasonable pricing when i buy stuff. older competitors are find with the equivalent of cam pricing or a little bit more.

Oct 21, 2022 - permalink

I always wonder about it, and I think they know, but some of then will say that really know and that's super hot. I mean the way they pose, the expressions they made, the smiles or winks about it or the serious big fbb poses, like they know we are thrilled by any display of her muscles etc.

On the other hand there are fbb that just timid poses or doesn't quite play with that, more reluctant.

Oct 21, 2022 - permalink

Female bodybuilders probably do but a lot of muscular women don't. I've seen a lot of female athletes and women who are generally fit live streaming on IG and Youtube where their chat has multiple people requesting them to flex and they do it. I don't think they would if they knew it was a fetish, I've seen request for things from more obvious fetishes like feet and that will usually creep them out.

Oct 22, 2022 - permalink

Marcie Madness has done a couple of youtubes video on this subject (kind of). I can't remember which video it was in but she mentions that at bodybuilding shows you can tell who are the schmoes apparently (we might have some sort of tell). Her videos are very insightful.

https://www.youtube.com/c/MarcieMadness/videos

Oct 22, 2022 - permalink

Yeah I think after the 387th guy on Instagram asks them how many inches their biceps are and demands that she send her pic for "promotion" on his page, they get the idea. A lot of the guys in our camp sadly have no tact.

fp909
Oct 22, 2022 - permalink

Marcie Madness has done a couple of youtubes video on this subject (kind of). I can't remember which video it was in but she mentions that at bodybuilding shows you can tell who are the schmoes apparently (we might have some sort of tell). Her videos are very insightful.

https://www.youtube.com/c/MarcieMadness/videos

i wonder if it's asking for a photo and also asking if they can touch your arm in the photo OR asking if they would take some cash to step on them, not sure which.

Oct 22, 2022 - permalink

but maybe there are still a few more humble muscle women.

I said elsewhere that human relationships are agreements on roles that take place either in actual reality, a socially faked reality or in fantasy. Now many muscular women probably have real relationships in real life. With some of them it gets into their head and they become difficult to get along with, because you then need to deal with the personality they are faking and the expectations that come with it.

But the answer to the most interesting question is no. And the most interesting question is that do they daydream of being admired by throngs of socially awkward pencil necks.

Humility means both not thinking too much or too little of yourself. It means doing the most reasonable thing, not the nicest thing. If they are approached by someone who really has nothing meaningful to say to them and nothing to do with them, being cold and distant actually is the most humble thing to do. Pretending that they can be something to everyone would not be humble.

For example I have talked positively of Julia DeLo, based on her interview with D.D on the Spot. At the same time if I ever met her in some chat or in real life I absolutely would not expect her to befriend me or make me comfortable or pretend that she likes me.

Most female bodybuilders, and I would include Julia here, don't think of themselves as celebrities, even minor ones, but probably just private persons with a hobby that brings them some admirers. Being sponsored means that you owe your sponsor to not do anything scandalous or damaging, but you still don't owe anything more to your admirers.

I think there is a fantasy that hidden somewhere is a girl next door female bodybuilder with no Instagram, totally innocent and pure as the driven snow. Like in some Hollywood nerd flick or high school drama you get to break the news to her that muscles are incredibly sexy. Immensely grateful for this, thinking you're the only one who feels this way she wants to become your girlfriend. You quickly accept in fear she finds out too soon there would be an entire subculture pining for her. She could pick a new one every day and never run out of weirdos.

The thing with being a girl next door is that not everyone can live next door to the same girl. Maybe in the best case a commune of horny young single men, but that's still a limited number.

I am afraid that the reference to a humble muscle woman can be interpreted to mean a female bodybuilder who would like some random dude even though they have nothing in common. My driven snow, my soulmate, my unicorn. Lots of other magical thinking. So much untapped horniness going to waste.

Oct 22, 2022 - permalink

Some do. Some don't. Amber DeLuca recently did an interview in which she talked about how she was encouraged to do bodybuilding and session wrestling by her (now ex) husband. And from there she realized, there are men who are aroused by the feeling of being dominated by a big, strong woman, and that she could make a living in embodying that fantasy. So for some it's definitely something they have to realize about themselves and how men see them, and they can either embrace it or reject it. Others are unaware of or ignore the schmoe aspect of it. They may see themselves as sexy because they are fit, but only seek out big strong guys who still see them as weaker women so they're not plugged in to the whole zeitgeist of strength and muscle, even being stronger than the guy, as the locus of arousal.

cgsweat
Oct 22, 2022 - permalink

If you put yourself into the shoes of a FBB then the picture becomes clearer...

As she develops more muscles several things begin to happen. Either she's starting off as overweight and she's now burning bodyfat, or she's starting off as skinny and she's beginning to "fill out." Typically she'll start to feel better about herself (i.e. more confident) and begin to wear tighter/more revealing clothing. As members of the male population, we can't help but to take notice as soon as a woman starts to make this metamorphosis.

They all notice, for better or for worse. Some enjoy the attention while others don't.

[deleted]
Oct 22, 2022 - permalink

I really wish they would to some degree. This is coming from someone who has been blocked by several FBBs. I’ve been to several BB shows, took a break for six years, went to a small one in Auburn WA just this past July. There were these two women selling merch who’s arms just looked incredible. When I asked if I can a pic of them both, one said sure walked away, and I asked the other Gal if she still wanted one, and she said she’s careful of what she posts. I’m not sure if I’m allowed to mention Tarna on here since she’s black listed, but let me tell you, she does not like any muscle fans in general. She barely understands the concept. It’s a shame cuase she’s the most amazing FFB I had ever seen. You get the ones the understand that certain group of people are going to be attracted to them, and others that are so so.

Oct 22, 2022 - edited Oct 22, 2022 - permalink

Another thread for "naive" schmoes and simps. People don't want to face reality no matter how many times they are being told about it.

The vast majority, like 99,99% of women who practice this dead end sport, do it for the male attention. Not any male's attention but for the "high value" man with a built physique.

A schmoe respectfully asks for a photo and you can see the cringe on their faces even from before he asks. The exact next minute the same women can be seen posing with sleeves up, butt sticking next to the crotch of a male BB that asked for the same photo.

A fetish sport that has the competitors barely dressed in thongs, stripper heels, full on make up, moving like strippers, having been butt naked in front of a stranger with a spray gun.

Athletes that post hundreds of T&A videos on their socials and join OnlyFans by the dozen it is self explanatory that they DO know what they sell.

Oct 22, 2022 - permalink

100%, though i think the "enthusiasm" often catches them by surprise. but the anime crowd loves it, the gym crowd majority loves it. randoms love it too. i think it's still easy to hide even on IG but even i've found one or two "entry level" women that friends follow. idk that i'd call them entry level either. Natasha Aughey is pretty heavily muscled, not to mention the very built semi-popular to red-hot crossfit women that some other friends follow.

Yo fighter pilot this can be the title/theme of your next story

"Do they know? Do the realize the effect they have on us?"

Oct 22, 2022 - edited Oct 22, 2022 - permalink

The vast majority, like 99,99% of women who practice this dead end sport, do it for the male attention. Not any male's attention but for the "high value" man with a built physique.

Nice stat. Unfortunately, you are 100% talking out of your ass.

100% of all bodybuilders I have met female/male online/irl (and I have met a LOT) do not train for anyones attention. We train for OURSELVES

You would understand this if you had any experience in fitness (or even mildly active living for christ sakes)

Oct 22, 2022 - permalink

I think it varies. You have to be substantially self-motivated to successfully bodybuild, so occasionally this strong inward focus can lead to a lack of awareness (for better or worse) of the perceptions of others.

Some women capitalize on it, others are caught off guard often in a bad way. Sadly the most common reaction is one of revolt, because people think muscles are "manly".

fp909
Oct 22, 2022 - permalink

Yo fighter pilot this can be the title/theme of your next story

"Do they know? Do the realize the effect they have on us?"

feel like i've doneo ne but it might have been years ago now

Oct 23, 2022 - permalink

Another thread for "naive" schmoes and simps. People don't want to face reality no matter how many times they are being told about it.

The vast majority, like 99,99% of women who practice this dead end sport, do it for the male attention. Not any male's attention but for the "high value" man with a built physique.

A schmoe respectfully asks for a photo and you can see the cringe on their faces even from before he asks. The exact next minute the same women can be seen posing with sleeves up, butt sticking next to the crotch of a male BB that asked for the same photo.

A fetish sport that has the competitors barely dressed in thongs, stripper heels, full on make up, moving like strippers, having been butt naked in front of a stranger with a spray gun.

Athletes that post hundreds of T&A videos on their socials and join OnlyFans by the dozen it is self explanatory that they DO know what they sell.

That almost sounds a little creepy and incel-ish. Like you think these women owe schmoes something. Sounds like the same sort of attitude incels have, like women who dress in skimpy clothes deserve to be raped or owe them sex or something. I'm pretty sure 99% of these women work out for THEMSELVES. Do they like male attention? Sure, I'm sure most of them do. Are they creeped out by weird smarmy nebbishy "fanboys" who want to be near them? Of course! Why the fuck wouldn't they be? Are they more attracted to men who take care of their bodies and care about their appearance? Uh.. yeah. Again, why the fuck wouldn't they be?

Hopefully I'm just misinterpeting or misunderstanding your take, but these women don't owe their "fans" anything. Unless you're a subscriber on Only Fans or giving them money with clear and realistic expectations of what you're getting in return (that's different). I wouldn't know. I don't do cams or OF or any of that. I've done some sessions though and they were fun, but I'm a normal dude who is in decent shape and I don't grovel at their feet or act like a freak so... and with a session the expectations are crystal clear and discussed beforehand. It's not like going to a FBB contest and then getting mad because a girl doesn't want to pose for a pic with you. That's just...UGH.

Oct 23, 2022 - permalink

Nice stat. Unfortunately, you are 100% talking out of your ass.

100% of all bodybuilders I have met female/male online/irl (and I have met a LOT) do not train for anyones attention. We train for OURSELVES

You would understand this if you had any experience in fitness (or even mildly active living for christ sakes)

Exactly what I was driving at. Dude sounds like an incel type who's probably planning to blow up a Walmart or something.

Oct 23, 2022 - permalink

Exactly what I was driving at. Dude sounds like an incel type who's probably planning to blow up a Walmart or something.

Or a dude who's planning to buy a blow up doll at Walmart

Oct 23, 2022 - permalink

hedgeborn said:

That almost sounds a little creepy and incel-ish. Like you think these women owe schmoes something.

This is probably because Ovi33 said:

A schmoe respectfully asks...

Or a schmoe timidly asks. What he probably wanted to emphasize is the contrast. That the reaction is not because the schmoe is not nice and polite but because the schmoe is a schmoe, that is the wrong guy.

The other interpretation is of course that if you are polite, then people will owe you politeness in return, no matter how dumb your business.

But I think his point was that they do it for the attention of some guys, not all guys.

Sounds like the same sort of attitude incels have, like women who dress in skimpy clothes deserve to be raped or owe them sex or something.

Women who dress in skimpy clothes tend to make both desirable and undesirable guys horny. Of these undesirables there are pathetic whiners who could not rape anyone even if their life depended on it. They live in constant shame, so shaming them is like kicking a dog when it's already down. But there are also violent and antisocial types who simply don't care.

Skimpy clothes are also provocative clothes, because the very purpose of the designer or the wearer is to draw attention and cause reactions. I don't think any woman is stupid enough to not know this. Even little girls get the idea, often entirely on their own.

Every user of this site probably gets it too. Otherwise we would have lots of pictures with women wearing loose-fitting clothes that reach the ankles and elbows and cover the pit of the throat, with no skin visible in between.

To talk about "deserving" is inflammatory and intentionally derails the discussion so that stating the obvious becomes too difficult. Or shameful. As if the involuntary celibate was morally entitled to punish the woman for her clothing. But since this is the Internet and we are not face to face, I could do it anyway.

You don't need to give women the right to make pathetic guys horny without repercussions. The guys already take care of that. But nobody is able to do the same with respect to nasty guys. Also, people are free to choose their actions but not the consequences of said actions. Awareness of potential consequences should alter their choice of actions.

If I willingly, not accidentally leave my door unlocked in a bad neighborhood, do I "deserve" to have my stuff taken? Someone might say legally no, morally yes. I might get away with it a few times or have a few close calls. I might even fool myself to desire the act but not the consequence and insist that I have a right to be unaware and feel protected and insist even more that the thief is wrong.

Then if anyone tried to point out my foolishness I would simply ask if he thinks theft is good. It is entirely possible to have two foolish or imprudent or immoral actions happen consequently where nothing justifies anything but one action may still help or enable the other.

Of course being a prude is no guarantee against rape. Probably nothing is. But there is no cause and effect from wearing Sunday clothes of Victorian times to making someone incredibly horny. In general you would never choose to do one to cause the other unless you knew someone who is particularly and paradoxically turned on by strict modesty. But in general a woman would and could wear skimpy clothes to make someone horny.

I'm pretty sure 99% of these women work out for THEMSELVES.

My favorite metaphysical pet peeve right here. The moment they want anyone else to pay attention to their physique is the moment they stop doing it for themselves.

The motivations of vast majority of women, "these women" in bodybuilding events and competitions directly involve other persons. Being known and seen as a bodybuilder, for example. But maybe the vast majority of women, "the women" who work out or go to gym do it to improve their health.

The only metaphysically valid way to do it for the self is to do it for health. But the "self" an average person would think you are referring to is an imaginary one. It simply does not exist as a thing in reality, independent of the person continuously willing it into existence. It's a created, not a discovered thing.

It could rather be said that they don't do it for a preexisting "self" but to create and maintain a "self".

Also some go to gym to become more sexually attractive and have a better sex life. Now it is a matter of interpretation if this is done for a "self" or for a partner or for a potential group of ever-changing partners.

Thinking this through I thought maybe this is all a never-ending mating ritual.

Also maybe the real question is which part of this isn't vanity? Goes directly to the topic anyway.

fp909
Oct 23, 2022 - permalink
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