I think those are 75 each. I can't quite see for sure, but looks it.
I've seen better and want better for the best muscle girls, but 75 is not solid. I'd rather see 135 with a spotter. :) 75 is certainly terrific for being on your own and no spotter. It does not look like a classic gyy, but poster of a woman that looks like her on wall.
No. I have seen it in person for years. Was not referencing that lift at all. Shannon did not have the natural size that some other strong fbbs had, but was a beast briefly. I've been around this thing a long time and seen alot. I'm talking multiple women and in person. Shannon was far from the strongest fbb ever even at her best. Trust me.
This is still a nice lift....don't get me wrong, but not top strong fbb nice. This is more physique nice.
This is good enough. I like Brooke's look. The idea is to get bigger and this is not bad. You won't get huge with that level weight though.
But yes....pdg...I am talking a high standard at those numbers. That is the standard the huge girls generally train at. Her goal may not be quite that high. I'm just wishing it is. She's very cut in most of her pics. Impressive look.
Damn! I can only do 65s.
Yes...those kinds of lifts were not around in the 80's, but came into being during the 90's and 2000's with the top fbbs. That is what fans like you and I want pdg....not that we can't enjoy the other girls aspiring to that level. I guess I have seen so many great ones that the bar is very high. There are some really good girls out there now though....for sure. I'm fairly sure Natalya trains with those type weights to be as huge as she is.
65's is probably average for a man depending on size and orel. I was in the same range as the top fbbs....120 or so for that lift. I didn't do that one as often as it was rough on the shoulders and I threw a lot. I'd do more bench and other things for the chest and upper body. A 315 pound bench press in college football and guys would laugh at you. Trust me. I was there. I was that in early college and that was a very low number for a bench press for a football player. 425 to 450 was average. Many broke 500. Heavy lifting is way more than people think on the internet. The girls in that era never did that, but 400 has been done by fbbs and 350 was common for the strongest ones if they wanted to max out. One of my favorite fbbs used to do incline benches for 275 10 times. Think about that. That is some weight and strength. She would use a spotter, but 275 for 10....saw it in person. 245 was more common for reps, but still awesome to watch for top fbbs.
Some of the training now is a little safer and more toward whole body strength except with the real hardcores like the big girls. They still do the hardcore lifts which tend to be more dangerous to the body. Muscle tears and some pretty bad injuries were more common and some top fbbs did have those. The best way to get strong and huge is still the heavy stuff, but the crossfit types mix in some new age stuff that is just that....new age...geared toward movement with strength....as in crossift. A powerlifting only regime might make you a little stronger, but you'd be worse off for crossfit and like events.
The great news is the number of women training at a high level is at a record high world wide. It is not in the US, but is world wide. Thank goodness we have social media so we can see a bunch of it....every day really.
I do love the girls of today as much as any group....maybe even more.
This and a few other pics/vids she has is what I mean by new age training. You didn't see many people or fbb types doing this sort of thing 15 years back. Very good builder of strength, but also dangerous and you need to know how to do it form wise. More core oriented things that may not show as much in muscles, but create explosiveness in fast twitch muscles. She has a few pretty cool ones. Versatile type of strength training.
Very interesting your comments zig563. I am a fan of the FBB years ago, but I do not know anything about sports and training.
The methods and nutrition are always evolving, but the core principle that to be your strongest you need to lift heavy still exists. You won't get huge doing 50 reps of a lighter weight. I mean super world class huge like the best girls. You need to go heavy.
The crossfit type stuff is not something I have done and is new. I still use the old school gyms which have a few of those things, but are not crossfit at all. The guy who started that branded crossfit and has the brand enforced if you want one. You do it his way or no way. Those girls are impressive....just not quite as big as the top fbbs or lifters.
We have seen plenty of girls change or upgrade and get huge and strong that way. Think Shannon R or Kristy Hawkins. A girl like Brooke is super strong now and one season of training heavy and eating big and she would grow like a weed. There is hope for that. The recipe is go heavy and eat a ton of protein plus whatever else and you are in full hugeness mode. Her present training looks to be for movement, strength, and the look. She is adding as she goes...always a good sign. Lets hope we see her doing this lift with 100's and then even more and she will be huge and awesome ...even more so.
Interesting. I am a complete neophyte in these issues, but this crossfit reminds me of the creation of the fitness category, where the size was reduced and acrobatic elements were added to achieve more "femininity"... Or maybe I'm imagining things?
It was a different thing than the fitness idea tuabuela007! The fitness came from the same people that had created bodybuilding. It was NPC and the other bodybuilding org. that created fitness and figure. Crossfit is a brand created by one man's idea and they/he turned it into a sport by having a competition that would seem fair to all. He was able to sell it to places like ESPN and other TV networks, so he has passed fitness or bodybuilding in his brand. His gyms are built to train for the event which is why you see the bouncing weights, bending bars, and some other unique equipment I am not overly familiar with. The weights are big, but lighter.
Femininity was not in the equation as much as he wanted to have an an actual athletic event. This is not subjective other than if the lifts were completed. It is a competition of strength and speed with some flexibility too. You have to be a good athlete and move well to be world class. Lets see how long it lasts, but right now it continues to grow.
It is drug tested so that part is handled as well. It is one man's creation and has been a great alternative to women who want to go into that sport since it pays very well at the highest levels. Look at the sponsorship. It is huge. The testing is a big part of that. Bodybuilding lost iot's sponsors on the female side with the whole steroid scandal. They took it out on fbbs hard....even the NPC with the stuoid "20% rule" that all women should lose 20% of their muscle mass. That was a dark day for the sport.
Crossfit has more women getting strong. Good for female muscle fans.
Excellent. I agree with you that the 20% rule was stupid. Obviously, a girl who is more "skinny" does not guarantee that she is clean. Even in cycling there were scandals steroids. And obviously the sponsors are not naive.
About the tests. Does that really guarantee that a girl is clean? I'm not a doctor, but I've heard that there are lotion versions of steroids that are harder to detect. Maybe there are even new drugs that are not examined. And if she takes steroids for training and leave them for the competition. And what about dehydration?
It guarantees nothing, but the PED list is always expanding and it cuts more close to the event PED use . Some drugs stay in longer than others. Rec drugs have out at 30-120 days depending on usage. while cocaine is 2-5 days depending on same. Same type stuff. Girls know what lasts and what does not. Trainers are paid to know that. Best off being safe.