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Oct 26, 2020

OMG she is hot. Persian?

Oct 27, 2020

She's Hungarian. Now that's a language nobody understands, lol.

Oct 27, 2020

@Vartan thats for sure. Wish they had subtitles on this or something

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Oct 27, 2020

Wow she is so hot and kinda cute.. SoLLeonidas where did you get the video from?

Oct 27, 2020

Anybody know how much weight is she curling looks big but she makes it look easy

Oct 27, 2020

Briefly. He'll tell you how he got on this trip. From strength lifting to bodybuilding, and preparing for a woman's physique.

Oct 27, 2020

Side chest in the sexy red bikini did it for me!

Oct 27, 2020

I hate to be negative - she looks good but she doesn't sound so good :-(

Oct 27, 2020 - edited Oct 27, 2020

She doesnt sound bad either..i like her sound.. @MJ_forever..yep the weights look big but she curls them in total control and so much ease.. it could be 20kg

Oct 27, 2020 - edited Nov 15, 2020

Looks and sounds very sexy! Too bad no English subtitles. Love to see you grow bigger arms and traps!!! Although very strong, recommend for safety and longevity, as well as results, that you use strict form, cut back on weight and go for intermediate reps for a cycle.

Oct 27, 2020

Yeah, that voice will only get deeper. She is what, 20?

Oct 27, 2020 - edited Oct 27, 2020

My cute Tiffani sounds great, she has a beautiful voice and she is so modest in her whole way she likes to eats zucchini and spinach and eats healthy and uses BCAA's and creatine ...and so she looks healthy and beautiful ... and yes her voice is maybe a little deeper than other women but that is also normal some women have heard voices and some deeper Tiffani has a sweet, slightly deeper voicebut I find it very sexy ... and is very personable but also self-confident and when she smiles she is twice as beautiful ..😍😍😍

Oct 27, 2020 - edited Oct 27, 2020

True, some of us may like the deepening of the voice but that's a telltale sign of AAS use and so she would just not be great in terms of mainstream marketing. Unfortunately that's precisely what detracts other females from wanting to gain mass or try using gear. But hey it's all good...not every fbb needs to be highly marketable outside the hardcore niche and we still need some fresh extra spicy girls for the pushing the boundaries division. πŸ˜‰

Oct 27, 2020

She would sound normally if she was 40 years old or more. But she is only 20 and changed a lot since she was first known. Still looks good, but she needs to be careful with cycling

Oct 27, 2020

@marasso - yes hard to know if she's getting bad advice or just doesn't care about the virilization...but she's headed for a Candice Armstrong look if she keeps going with her cycling in that direction.

Oct 27, 2020

that's a deep voice

Oct 27, 2020

@xander1 - I dunno if I would go that far as to say that she's headed for the candice armstrong look.... Candice was on some hard stuff like tren and test whereas I doubt Tifani is doing that. She might just be more susceptible to virilization than others but who knows. Regardless, at this point in her up and coming career I think she still looks great. Voice is pretty deep for only being 20 but that particular side effect doesn't bother me that much and I doubt it bothers her either if she's gone this far.

Oct 27, 2020

curious about the weight tho

M76
Oct 27, 2020

the weight is 20kg it is written on the end of the bar, not the plates.

Oct 27, 2020

ah ok, and holy shit

Oct 27, 2020 - edited Oct 27, 2020

Tifani has to be careful with the cycling of the gear she is using because she is only 20. Deep voice is tell tale sign of roid usage. Normally FBB's in the their 30's and up would use steroids and HGH but not 20! That's way too young. Me and my wife are both bodybuilders and personal trainers and use steroids and HGH in a cycle used as directed. We know what we are doing but looks like Tifani was in a hurry to get huge. This decision to use the gear will greatly affect her down the road if she keeps this up.

Oct 27, 2020

@SoLLeonidas: She is most definitely doing anabolics, which typically would include a test base at the very least. Additionally, I'd guess she is cycling Winstrol and Anavar as well, possibly along with additional compounds. She's showing all the telltale signs of anabolic steroid usage, including coarse skin, acne around androgen receptor areas, deepening of the voice, and possibly clitoris enlargement, some of which are irreversible, especially when taken prior to adulthood.

Oct 27, 2020

@Godzilla_1 you can see acne too on her face.

Oct 27, 2020 - edited Oct 27, 2020

@SoLLeonidas - right I'm just saying she's headed in that direction not that she'd necessarily end up as androgenic as Candice. Here's the thing, if a female has above average aesthetics then I'd say it's important to avoid any virilization since she's much more of an asset to herself and fbbing to stay andro sides-free...whereas, females who don't possess that level of aesthetics to begin with aren't really losing anything so can go more extreme. In Tifani's case I'd say she does have enough aesthetics to definitely motivate other females. But along with that she'll have to do interviews and the voice is a dead giveaway and huge instant detractor for most other women (regardless if some of us hardcore fans may dig it) so it is in her best interest to be super careful. I have seen some cases where the virilization of the voice wasn't too heavy and it came back to a degree once estrogen levels balanced back out.

Oct 27, 2020

@cromartie there is definitely acne on her face. It's sad that she made a choice to take the gear early instead of in her 30's. She looks great but she should have waited a bit longer to use them.

Oct 27, 2020 - edited Oct 27, 2020

@Godzilla - yep I do see a bit...also, pics and vids can often hide what's even more obvious in person. And there are plenty of mild or non-andro gear like SARMs she could use with very low chance of any virilization. Whoever is advising her likely just went a bit overboard.

Oct 28, 2020

I got to admit I love her sexy red bikini. πŸ’ž

Oct 28, 2020

that aint anavar

Oct 28, 2020

For sure...likely a hefty stack with Primo and Deca...maybe some Dbol. Combined that can be pretty potent.

Oct 28, 2020

@xander1 those anabolics you mentioned in the previous comment are mostly used for FBB's after when they reached their peaked. These are way too powerful stuff.

Oct 28, 2020

@Godzilla - exactly, but not what a female wants to take if she's trying to avoid sides. She's definitely taken a pretty potent cycle in order to have gotten the amount of virilization that she has.

Oct 28, 2020

@xander1 my wife uses Russian made steroids and HGH but only after she reached her apex the natural way. She used as directed and also used her genetics from what her parents and God gave her to better her body. Definitely Tifani has taken a pretty potent cycle that hopefully will be reversed if she decides to get off the gears.

Oct 28, 2020 - edited Oct 28, 2020

@Godzilla - yeah not sure how much Tifani can reverse at this point it appears to be fairly significant. In contrast, if we look at Andrea Shaw she likely took a more similar route to your wife. For example, if a female's objective is to get the maximum gains along with the fewest sides she ideally wants to reach her natural limit first (as you mentioned) then start with incrementally utilizing the lowest androgen indexed compounds... non-andro SARMs, HGH..see how much she responds to that first...then possibly adding some low Anavar dosing. A woman with good genetics can get plenty massive this way with virtually zero negative sides. Keep in mind that although females only have trace amounts of test compared to men they have 3 times the natural GH. So in that respect females have a different biological mechanism stimulating their muscle growth.

Oct 28, 2020

Thick and juicy πŸ˜ƒ

Thats why I'm here

Oct 28, 2020

@xander1 very true.

Oct 28, 2020

Wow

Oct 28, 2020

Where was this from?

Oct 28, 2020

Shes Controversial!!!

M76
Oct 28, 2020 - edited Oct 28, 2020

One thing is for sure, you don't get that big that fast unless you are on a very big dose, even if you are a man.

I think she was perfect about 2 years ago, but the changes since then I don't like one bit.

Sad to see her go down the Natalia Trukhina route.

Oct 28, 2020

Nataliya is only 29 years old, she admitted that she had been using GH and steroids for a number of years, though she is half her life in strength sports. The use of stuff has not hurt her popularity, she is by far the most popular FBB globally, one of the most recognized FBB of all time, look at the buzz she created at the last two FIBO editions and at the Romania Pro. So "going down" her route is actually not such a bad idea πŸ˜ƒπŸ˜ƒ

Oct 28, 2020

@birmi agree on that with Natalia, although Russian in this comparison looks like being more reasonable with steroids than Tifani, as absurdly that can sound. Tifani started to early in my opinion, she will be more likely on Paige DuMars path than Natalias. Tifani just seems to have bad advisors, both in safety on training (who saw her dead lifts will probably agree) and cycling. I'd like to be wrong in Tifani case, cause she is very pretty girl and it would shame is she'd lost her beauty and feminity or health totally in chase of giant muscles. Of course, it's only my opiinion.

Oct 28, 2020

Me and my wife who are bodybuilders and personal trainers always use as directed when it comes to steroids and HGH usage. We don't care personally about competing in bodybuilding competitions because we just want to do it for enjoyment. It's a great past time of ours. We always tell our clients to be careful when using steroids and HGH if they inquire about it.

Oct 28, 2020

I think it's interesting to compare her case to Slava Galagan. Slava did a major cycle as part of a contest prep, but realised that it's simply not worth it to sacrifice her feminity and facial beauty for gains that disappear the very moment she's off the gear, all the while possibly having to suffer from long-term health issues and major hormonal consequences. 20 years from now, Slava will most likely be perfectly content with her decision, unlike Tifani.

M76
Oct 28, 2020

@birmi482 I don't consider that kind of fame good. It's akin to being shown around as a circus freak.

And even though I love muscular women, the look achievable this way is outright repulsive even to me.

Oct 28, 2020 - edited Oct 28, 2020

Again, I'd say the big difference with Nataliya is that she never really had super high aesthetics to begin with so wasn't really sacrificing anything...whereas, Tifani did. Nataliya's star appeal and popularity now is primarily as a power/mass goddess within the hardcore subculture and more as a curiosity/spectacle to the world outside. So I believe that's more along the lines of what Tifani can look to attain at this point. Once a female's aesthetics are compromised (even slightly) she no longer fits into the category of being able to attract and motivate other females from the outside world (mainstream market) into fbbing....however, she can still be a superstar within the (hardcore niche market) subculture.

Oct 28, 2020 - edited Oct 28, 2020

Each FBB has different reactions on HGH/steroids. Take for example Anastasia Korableva and Paige Dumars who are void of any femininity. Then you have the super aesthetic and very feminine Andrea Shaw who is juiced up to the top, just look at her jaw line, she could cut through stone. Nataliya is much closer to Andrea than to Paige or Anastasia (Nataliya has also the typical Slavic facial feature of high cheek bones, completely unrelated to juicing), so I don't know where you draw the line. If you just saw the equally extreme muscular bodies of these four ladies (without their faces) , is this repulsive to you? And what happens when you see their faces, does it change?

Oct 28, 2020 - edited Oct 28, 2020

@xander. You will be surprised how many women are inspired by Nataliya, without actually having the aim to look like her. With regards to aesthetics, you claim that she never had super high aestethics. Given her huge muscle mass, she has worked very hard over the last few years to improve her feminine aesthetic size which is obviously very difficult when you carry this sort of muscle mass, but I think she has done a tremendous job, just compare her pics from 4/5 years ago to now, there is a huge difference in feminine aesthetics while keeping the same muscle mass

Oct 28, 2020

@birmi - yes I have seen Nataliya attempt to "fem up" herself but her sides are still very apparent along with the voice deepening is severe. I love her too but there's just no way she's motivating more women to gain mass and use gear than she is detracting. Again I used Nicole Bass as a similar example who had even more notoriety outside the hardcore niche but it mostly was not good publicity at all...I literally used to cringe watching her get mocked and ridiculed on Stern. Andrea is a completely different situation because she virtually has zero noticeable sides including her jawline (at this point) she still has outstanding aesthetics retention at her extreme mass size can motivate other females because of that fact. She can also potentially attract major sponsors and get covers on mainstream bodybuilding mags. Listen, I happen to truly love both but the reality is that they have differing market appeal capabilities due to the aesthetics factor.

Oct 28, 2020

Voice of Alpha female. 😍😍😍

Oct 28, 2020

Ok let's put it like this...Andrea is the most valuable PR asset representation for the "Nataliya's" within the mainstream market arena...it's hypermuscular sister assisting hypermuscular sister. i.e..."A rising tide lifts all boats." πŸ˜‰

M76
Oct 28, 2020

@xander1 On the contrary Natalia was a pretty nice girl when she first started posting videos of her training and flexing, then the roids and I assume numerous surgeries turned her into whatetever you see today.

There are huge differences in body structure that women can get with excessive roid use and what they get normally. The former is not attractive to me at all. And it's not just about the face. There are plenty of roid users out there whose face isn't ruined, but I don't find them attractive at all. Roid users to me look like they have some sort of disease. They have amorphous muscles created in growth spurs instead of how each muscle group looks naturally. I don't mind size, but shape and symmetry comes first.

Oct 28, 2020

I wouldn't put Andrea and Nataliya in the same bracket, Andrea is a hypermuscular FBB, Nataliya is in the monster class. She has been "ridiculed" in a Russian TV show as well some three years ago, but nowadays she is very popular in mainstream circles in Russia, don't compare her to Nicole Bass. She may not be a role model for the average girl - but so isn't Andrea. However Nataliya is a role model for the many female weightlifters and powerlifters in Russia, highly popular sports in this country who might be lured over to bodybuilding by Nataliya's impact amd success. With regards to Andrea, I think you are overestimating her potential. She is very attractive, a kind of bigger version of Lenda Murray, but her impact might be limited to Fitness or Physique girls wanting to move up to FBB

Oct 28, 2020 - edited Oct 28, 2020

@birmi - no worries we can agree to disagree on this one. The average girl = 99.9% of the population and I believe someone like Andrea who has that level of aesthetics can attract a very large portion of that %...much the way Crossfit women have. I'm not disagreeing that Nataliya can be a motivator for some other xtreme fbbs, powerlifters or subculture niche fans...that is clearly her target audience which was exactly what I was saying. Bro c'mon..mainstream circle women are not looking to Nataliya and being motivated to gain mass and use gear so whatever the popularity is it's not being positive towards that objective. Not all popularity or publicity is good publicity. We are just confusing the 2 different markets here. Yes Andrea being a bigger version of Lenda was a very good observation..along with who and what that can attract.

Oct 28, 2020

As strange is might sound, Nataliya is already a motivator for regular girls doing online coaching. Crossfit is about fitness and performance, the right body is just a means to achieve it, in bb everything is about a certain body type. BB in all its forms is a niche sport. A beautiful lean and aesthetic Lenda Murray was not able to lift fbb to a mainstream status so don't expect Andrea to do it. I agree that while FBB is a niche sports, monster fbb is a subniche sport which is not very attractive, also on investor level. Nataliya herself however is larger than her subniche sector

Oct 28, 2020 - edited Oct 29, 2020

@birmi - Your belief in Nataliya is admirable but I think it's far above what the reality is (from the mainstream's perspective) while your belief in Andrea falls quite a bit below that reality from the same perspective. Because we have such a love and admiration for Nataliya it's reasonable to assume that somehow many others will also see those same qualities as a positive...however, that simply isn't how they're actually seeing it from their perspective. Many of us actually enjoy side effects so a deepening of the voice seems like no big deal but to those looking at it from the outside perspective it is a huuuge turn-off that scares the hell out of women 'away' from gaining mass or even considering any enhancements...that's highly counterproductive to the primary objectives. Therefore, it is important to first take a step back in order to consider how this actually comes off to the masses of women looking in from the outside. Both Lenda and Cory were tremendous mainstream ambassadors and are still highly respected and admired by today's standards both inside and out of the industry...which, is also why Jake wanted Lenda as an endorser and spokesperson for the WOS. You're greatly underestimating the benefits of having the masses finally respecting and becoming more accepting of fbbs again...someone like Andrea is very capable of moving the needle towards that objective. With Crossfit, it has nothing to do with the format I'm talking about how the masses of mainstream women are inspired and motivated by their thickly massed physiques...largely because, they also have a high level of aesthetics retention attached to it.

Oct 28, 2020

I love her! And based on the amount of comments a lot of you do too!

Oct 28, 2020

@M76 - yes I totally get what you're saying. Just keep in mind that for significant side effects like that to occur a female needs to be taking a pretty hard and heavy cocktail of gear. It's not just some random roll of the dice situation. A female can use mild or non-andro substances and gain plenty of mass while avoiding those other effects you were mentioning. Some here like the side effects as much or even more than the muscle gains, while others like yourself don't. I understand both perspectives.

Oct 28, 2020

I mean, to build this kind of a physique throughout your teenage years as a girl you need one in a billion genetics and an unhealthy amount of drugs combined to get anywhere close to this.

But of course, you got to admire her, her mental game is ridicilous and she was the strongest teenage girl in the world by far destroying weight lifting records reach almost adult records in the process. She'll shatter those too eventually!

Oct 28, 2020

well Tifani came close to beating Carla Padua Garcia's record but should probably quit the bodybuilding if she's seriously going to focus on powerlifting.

Oct 29, 2020 - edited Oct 29, 2020

@xander and others. Nataliya is unique, but she inspires a lot of people which also has to do with her charisma. Most people which she inspires , don't want to look like her, agreed , she inspires people to go to gym, to work out, not necessarily to become bb. She inspires female weightlifters and powerlifters to become BB. Nataliya captivates a global audience. She is larger then the FBB niche sector, has 625K followers on insta. Cory and Lenda might be great ambassadors but neither of them have succeeded to make FBB a mainstream job, nor will Nataliya and Andrea succeed. Nataliya is about making people to go and workout, be fitter and stronger, not necessarily attract mainstream girls to BB. She is inspiring strength athletes to move to BB and inspires male BB too. Andrea, on the other hand, the future Miss O with all her aesthetics, has a very limited followership on insta, just 18K , she might make FBB more palatable with Fitness ot physique athletes, but i don't see her attracting outside many average girls to become FBBs

Oct 29, 2020

@birmi482 FBB's will never go mainstream because people will always mock them. Plus it should not be mainstream in the first place. It's a niche sport bodybuilding is. You can have this and that ambassador but it will never be accepted. It's just anime and science fiction conventions there mostly niche genre's that some understand but not the rest of the whole bunch.

Oct 29, 2020 - edited Oct 29, 2020

@godzilla. I couldn't agree more. To assign "magical" powers to Andrea Shaw so that she can attract major average girl audiences to become FBBs is unrealistic. Given her very low audiences on insta I also highly doubt how attractive she is for sponsoring contracts within the niche sector as of today. She surely has potential, but it's limited within BB

Oct 29, 2020

and furthermore, there is a big difference between Andrea and Nataliya: Andrea is all about COMPETITIVE bodybuilding, a future Miss Olympia and trendsetter for competitions, a FBB version of Shanique Grant. Nataliya however is about the carefully branded image as the largest strongest, most muscular Female Bodybuilder worldwide named AMAZONKA, an image creation, the only female X-shaped bodybuilder. This isn't about competitive BB, she seems actually to be done with competitions according to her insta posts and replies to followers. This is about creating and cultivating an image - and cashing in on it from sponsors, webcam/herbicepscam, Onlyfans and Fanwise pages, Guest shows at events, exhibitions, tv shows worldwide. Her presence inspires others in many fields, not necessarily in becoming FBB, but in trying to achieve different things in life through dedication. This goes much beyond just bodybuilding

Oct 29, 2020 - edited Oct 29, 2020

@birmi - likely 99% of Nataliya's follows are only due to the general curiosity/spectacle factor. It's much like a wild body modification artist might be a shocking type of attraction with a large number of followers on Insta. As I've said she's absolutely perfect for the pushing the boundaries subculture niche audience but again that has zero to with 'attracting' other females to gaining mass or using gear outside of that market. If that were the case even with a small fraction of her followers then there wouldn't only be the same handful of 40-50+ year old fbbs for the past decade. Having more followers simply means the reach of detraction is even that much greater..hence, the current state of women's bodybuilding under Nataliya's reign of "popularity" on Insta. As we all know WBB has been on life support and would already have been extinct many years ago if not for Jake coming out of pocket in order to save it. And sure Andrea is still largely unknown because the wrong (detracting) publicity/images have been the ones being pushed out into the mainstream market instead of the (attracting) ones. This has also been going on for many years back to the Gina Davis and Lisa Bavington's who were pretty much hidden from public (and who could have been tremendous asset/reps for the cause) but meanwhile it was the Nicole Bass standard being pushed out there to be mocked and ridiculed instead...the comparison was very similar and accurate which is why I used it.

As far as WBB going mainstream it already was very much so back in Cory and Lenda's day. In case you were unaware it was literally plastered all over mainstream television including the top sports network with well over a dozen different bodybuilding and fitness shows...Ms. Olympia had her own production and numerous other spinoffs. Also keep in mind that it got as popular as it did back then despite having horrible fuzzy picture quality compared to the 4K we have today..plus, there was no Internet with the women having built-in fanbases which will provide a huge added promotional vehicle that also never existed before. So yes without question I believe Andrea can move that same needle and attract plenty of new recruits to fbbing. But like I said at the start of the discussion, it will still need to be restructured into 2 separate divisions in order to produce the full positive impact.

Oct 29, 2020 - edited Oct 29, 2020

And let me clarify, this is in no way meant as any kind of knock against Nataliya...I f*cking LOVE her style and how she's branding herself as you mentioned it is brilliant in its own way. However, I also clearly realize the marketing strategy differences between an Andrea and Nataliya. We're pitting them against eachother which was the entire point of needing the division. It's like comparing a Rich Piana to a Mike O'Hearn...they both have their own unique qualities and different strengths in terms of marketing.

Oct 29, 2020

i fully agree with you on the last part of your post, these two girls are differently branded. But while Andrea depends very much on WOS and Jake, Nataliya's success is completely unrelated to and undependent from WOS, she has achieved everything on her own, WOS wanted to piggyback on her own popularity. Furthermore, to claim that 99% of Natalya's following are just for curiosity is simply incorrect. The huge buzz wich she created at FIBO and Romania speak for themselves, so does the fact that her saradas page is by far the most visited of all athletes. I agree that if you are looking for someone to attract mainstream girls to FBB, she probably isn't the right person, besides attracting powerlifters and weightlifters, but that's not her primary aim anyways. On the other hand, to claim that FBB was a mainstream sports in the 80s or 90s is a little bit over the top, true it was broadcasted on ESPN for a while, but FBB never attracted million of girls like ice skating for example.

Oct 29, 2020

in order to get a better understanding of Nataliya I suggest to all that you read her posts on insta, ESPECIALLY her replies to her followers. It is worth using ths translator function for her Russian replies (90% of them are in Russian, 10% in English)

Oct 30, 2020

I don't understand why this discussion is limited to the two of them, Natalia and Andrea, we're here with Tiffani and not with the two of them, that doesn't fit the topic at all ... That is very rude to Tiffani...!!?

Oct 30, 2020

@tifanifan technically you are right, but it started when M76 wrote that he hoped that Tifani would not go down the Nataliya Trukhina way. Since this is usually an open forum without moderators, discussions can divert from the original topic. At saradas for example, you have moderators who delete and adjust comments all the time

Oct 31, 2020

One of her role models is even Nataliya ... Nevertheless, I strongly doubt that she would like to look like her ...tiffani is much younger and more feminine than Natalia and has a lot more aesthetics in her body and face and doesn’t want to totally lose her femininity due to extreme muscle massstill exist and I think she has brought the balance between youthfulness, beauty, femininity and muscles perfectly in harmony ... with or without steroids, that is completely irrelevant now, she has built a bodywhich there is no second time in the world and with this beauty she is in her own league anyway...πŸ˜πŸ‘πŸΎπŸ’ͺ🏽

Nov 05, 2020

@birmi - appreciate it and will do on your translation idea. And yes it's not that this is only about Nataliya and Andrea again we're just using them as examples of the two different archetypes within the hypermuscular spectrum...1) full aesthetics retention based criteria 2) monster mass/pushing the boundaries/aesthetics don't matter based criteria.

So if we take those 2 divisions a step further...imagine division #1 with 20 "Andrea types"...and division #2 with 20 "Nataliya types"...each division gearing its judging guidelines specifically towards that given standard.

Nov 05, 2020

There would be WAY more women on steroids if they were (1) easy to legally obtain and (2) men were less afraid of being labeled as closet homosexuals for being attracted to muscular women. Most women who start taking them are very happy with the decision. Virtually every athletic, sporty girl would try them.

I do like the discussion of archetypes: there clearly is a division between hypermuscular FBBs and the mass monsters. Where do you guys think Fitness and Physique women fit in? The women in both divisions have gotten much bigger over the past decade.

Nov 05, 2020

@Gresident:

He'll tell you how he got on this trip

Now there's a Freudian slip if I ever read one.

@Vartan:

There would be WAY more women on steroids if they were (1) easy to legally obtain and (2) men were less afraid of being labeled as closet homosexuals for being attracted to muscular women.

You couldn't have gotten it more ass backwards. There would be more women on steroids if they didn't give them a masculine appearance. That's all there is to it.

Nov 05, 2020

@dumbdumb

Piss off you little prick.

Nov 05, 2020

Yes, a big part of the problem is that most of the images being pumped out to the general public are fbb's with heavy virilization. So when you have virtually all of the women with high level aesthetics at bikini, fitness, figure sizes it then paints a broad negative picture that women lose their aesthetics at the hypermuscular level. This is why we also need more Xtreme fbbs with high level aesthetics (like Andrea) in order to attract/motivate other females to gain mass or even consider trying any gear. I think there are a number of well intended guys trying to promote fbbs out to the public who just don't realize they are only doing the exact opposite. Most of the of women who've started taking AAS were initially given to them by a trainer/boyfriends..or, had to be coerced and paid thousands of dollars.

Nov 05, 2020

@Vartan Try to master your emotions and work on those comebacks.

@xander1

attract/motivate other females to gain mass or even consider trying any gear

I appreciate your well-articulated points, and we agree on some, but... why would you possibly want to do that?

Nov 06, 2020

Clearly, some commentators here are either unaware of or simply don't care about the severe consequences usage of AAS in females over extended periods of time can have on their general health, hormonal balance, fertility, and overall well-being, many of which are permanent and irreversible.

Nov 06, 2020

They really don't, as long as they get to indulge in their paraphilia. It's quite literally feederism on steroids.

Nov 06, 2020 - edited Nov 06, 2020

I wonder how many people would perceive highly roided women like Tiffany still feminine when they saw them without makeup.

I once had a session with a top level female bodybuilder who told me that what she has seen in locker rooms of fbb competitions was pretty shocking in that regard.

Nov 06, 2020 - edited Nov 07, 2020

@femcepsfan Me and my wife are both hardcore bodybuilders and personal trainers ourselves. We have seen the locker rooms many times at a few competitions we were both involved in and competed. A lot of men and women use steroids and HGH and their looks take a huge hit unfortunately. Me and my wife both take steroids and HGH but use as directed all the time. Our looks were not affected that much compare to the some that we personally saw. Make up really helps women bodybuilders a lot and they definitely need it the way they abuse the gear at times.

Nov 07, 2020

@conassa - because first and foremost, I want more women to want to get more developed (even if just totally natty) many are so scared sh*tless that they think they'll somehow become masculinized just from even looking at heavy weights. Secondly, there are plenty of non-androgenic compounds women can use safely which can help gain mass without giving them any negative sides. So I think it's important to get the right information out there (with more women examples who will truly motivate) and so they can make educated choices instead of playing roid russian roulette. Thirdly, for the other select segment who may choose to push the boundaries they should also have the right to go that route as well. It's just that if they choose to sacrifice their aesthetics will then only really be marketable anymore within the smaller subculture niche market.

Nov 07, 2020

@xander1: Once again, I appreciate your detailed response. I just can't fathom the rationale of wanting women to want to add mass and lose their secondary sex characteristics (or "aesthetics", as you put it), let alone your caveat of "even if just totally natty", as if that somehow were the lesser of two options.

Nov 07, 2020

@canassa- oh wasn't saying it was necessarily the lesser option...and I actually mentioned 3 options, natty, non-androgenic enhancement, and full AAS enhancement. But hey if a woman knowingly chooses to lose her aesthetics then that's still her choice. Again the bigger concerns involve women who are using without the proper advice or knowledge...and where, their goals are to make gains without the negative sides but end up going overboard. Like I said earlier, I would put Tifany in that category since she was gifted genetically with top flight aesthetics to begin with.

Nov 07, 2020

Fair enough. Have a good one.

Nov 14, 2020

But Tiffani doesn't use HGH's, even if it's hard to imagine, I know it firsthand and I think she hasn't lost her feminine attributes at all ... she still looks stunning, and she still hasOf course, she built an extremely large muscle mass in a relatively short time and would like to start in women's bodybuilding nationally and internationally next year and I think she has a good chance of always being among the top 3 ..πŸ’–πŸ’–πŸ˜πŸ˜πŸ˜

Nov 14, 2020

Tiffani doesn't use HGH

I think she hasn't lost her feminine attributes at all

You're free to think whatever you want, but when reality doesn't conform to it and slaps you in the face with the opposite, don't expect to be able to persuade others.

Nov 14, 2020

But you cannot condemn them either if you have not proven it ... and then first and foremost there is the presumption of innocence ..I have written to her personally and she has communicated it to me personally ... so I also assume that she is telling me the truth and she is an honest girl, I do not doubt her word ... she also has none of it otherWritten things, but just wondered and annoyed specifically about the HGH's ...πŸ‘πŸΎπŸ‘πŸ½πŸ’ͺπŸ½πŸ€”

Nov 14, 2020

The proof is plastered all over and inside her body, mate. And women will tell you they only have highlights when they've dyed their brown hair blond.

Nov 15, 2020

Women bodybuilders and just bodybuilders in general are complete liars when it comes to telling people what they take. Majority of them will tell you it's healthy eating and lots of protein intake. In fact that part is true but they usually don't tell the whole truth which is they take steroids and HGH to really enhance their bodies. Me and my wife we admit that we take steroids and HGH. We are not ashamed.

Nov 15, 2020

This is what I admire about Nataliya Amazonka, she has always admitted taking HGH and steroids from the moment she burst on the scene.

Nov 15, 2020

@birmi482 that's why I love about Natalia Trukhina because she admits the truth that she uses steroids and HGH. I got a ton of respect for her.

Nov 15, 2020

she has always been honest about it. And when her followers on insta make remarks like "steroids" she is always sarcastic about it, replying "no, yoghurt.....

Nov 15, 2020

@birmi482 yep and people like me and you appreciate her honesty and sense of humor.

Nov 15, 2020

πŸ‘πŸ‘

Dec 11, 2020

Love her deep voice,very sexy!🀀🀀πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯

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